Hi everyone
I have found an intersting article about face recognation in
China. Link below:
Author of this article says:
„Over the past few years, computers have become incredibly
good at recognizing faces, and the technology is expanding quickly in China in
the interest of both surveillance and convenience. Face recognition might
transform everything from policing to the way people interact every day with
banks, stores, and transportation services”
Please answer this questions:
1. Are face recognation a safe method to access buildings,
pay for something etc?
2. Do you think face recognation will be avaible in
our country?
3. What about our privacy?
4. Do you know another face recognation systems?
1. Are face recognition a safe method to access buildings, pay for something etc?
ReplyDeleteWe know this method from movies in last 20 years and they are already used for a long time. It just became more popular and cheaper to use. As any other system it has pros and cons, however if someone want to break it he/she will do it. I think that it is better than chips, but worse than using some device. Still we should have possibility to confirm our payments and have more control over come things.
2. Do you think face recognition will be available in our country?
I think that we have so many technological problems with very easy stuff that it seems hardly possible. With level of computerization and people’s abilities to use technological devices there is so much to do, before we will be able to go for something advances.
3. What about our privacy?
We already have cameras everywhere so not much will change. We are tracked with phone and other devices with geolocalization. I would not say that it will change much.
4. Do you know another face recognition systems?
There is a lot of startups that currently are using such systems.
Thank you for your response.
ReplyDelete1. I agree with you that we should have posibilty to confirm our payments.
2. I'm optymistic. Our country have many problems but mayby in the future...
3. I agree with you
4. I know there is a lot of startups that used recognition systems but maybe you know a another startups that succeed or what technology they used for face recognition?
1. Are face recognition a safe method to access buildings, pay for something etc?
ReplyDeleteI’m not convinced about its safety. In the article it is written: “…only now is it accurate enough to be used in secure financial transactions” but who checked it? What if someone presents a photo (for example a selfie)? If this technology does not get the proper certification then for the moment I think it can only be a help in authentication on minor issues.
2. Do you think face recognition will be available in our country?
There is a high probability that yes, but I suppose that it wouldn`t be so quick. Technological innovations in Poland have always been implemented with several years of delay.
3. What about our privacy?
In my point of view it is the same as our existing ID card databases and other such centralized systems. For me it doesn’t matter if such database contains data from my ID card (with my photo and fingerprints) or a virtual diagram of my face…
4. Do you know another face recognition systems?
I don’t know such but I’ve heard about biometric scanners (for example retina scanners). As the author of the article wrote: “Facial recognition has existed for decades…” – it is not a new topic.
Thank you for your response. You are right that's not a new topic but nowadays the algorithms are much better than before. In China it's working.
Delete1. Is face recognition a safe method to access buildings, pay for something etc?
ReplyDeleteAccording to at least a few entities (like Apple Inc.) it is mature enough. It may be employed alongside other biometric measurements and access control methods (and most likely it is). But it's not accurate enough to replace everything else and become the only identification method.
2. Do you think face recognation will be avaible in our country?
It is, and I have seen a few attempts to use it for marketing and statistical purposes. I hope it won't be ubiqutous, because it may add to our already too big data trail footprints.
3. What about our privacy?
Well, on one side we can have GDPR, but at the same time some countries make it illegal to hide one's face in public, even when not participating in any criminal or antisocial behavior. We should try to improve the protections of what's left of our privacy, but the efforts have a limited efficacy.
4. Do you know other face recognition systems?
As I said, I well do. If you want to play with a recognition algorithm implemented in TensorFlow, you can look no further than:
https://arxiv.org/abs/1503.03832
https://github.com/davidsandberg/facenet
I haven't checked up on it for some time, but I know some contributors personally.
Thank you for your response and for examples in pt4. I have heard about TensorFlow. Students used it in our projects to recognize objects. Interesting technology.
Delete1. Are face recognation a safe method to access buildings, pay for something etc?
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely no! That could be only "one more easy step to confirm our identity. Face regodnition could be cheated by common photo of owner.
2. Do you think face recognation will be avaible in our country?
If there this working well why it will not be good working in our country? I'm sure that similar systems are already building.
3. What about our privacy?
Luckilly for us, our law is much more better in polity privacy procedure. Our face is as our finger print-we left it everywhere and that's normal. Meybe on first years people will try to hide their face using scarf or get on the social site (that's really good soure for facce recognition algoritm) a little distorted face photos to cheet algoritm. Later that would be daily so people doesn't care of that (like on common camera now).
4. Do you know another face recognation systems?
Yes, face recognition is well prepared already so it is using in many systems (some of that algoritm are on license open source). The last time I heart about face recognition on football pitch in Belgium (I'm not sure of the country) but is was disaster. The system get too many fakes alarm.
Thank you for your response. I agree with you in pt 1. The face recognition is not a perfect method but in China it's working. Maybe they have a better algorithm.
DeleteIt all depends on the accuracy of this method. If the accuracy is very high, such identity verification systems will definitely come into force also in our country. China is an interesting country. Recently, I heard that they have 168, 000cameras installed and want to expand this system by another 500,000. Recently, in a city which name I do not remember, a test was carried out in order to know how much it needs to locatea man. It turned out that the system needs three secondsfor identifyinga person and the services are on the spot within three minutes. The authorities say "after long time of collectivism, personalization has taken place";-)
ReplyDeleteThank you for your response. You are right that it all depends on accuracy. If accuracy is high then people will used this technology for example to secure buildings.
Delete1. Are face recognation a safe method to access buildings, pay for something etc?
ReplyDeleteNo I don't think that this is very safe method. If I had to choose safe method for accessing buildings, paying etc., I would use retina scanner.
When it comes to to faces recognition I think that this method can be sensitive on people with very similar faces, so sometimes when you can find your own doppelganger and then you know that this person can access the same building as you can access.
2. Do you think face recognation will be avaible in our country?
Not in the nearest future, when it comes to technological progress or even when it comes to implementation of successful existing solution in the world we need to know that Poland is still far behind.
3. What about our privacy?
We don't have privacy in modern world. If you want to have some privacy you should be living of the grid.
4. Do you know another face recognation systems?
I would like to say that face detection systems in mobile phones but you have got mobile payments in the article so I would say face detection system in you computer. It can be used as a login mechanism.
"We don't have privacy in modern world. If you want to have some privacy you should be living of the grid." - that's sad.
DeleteThank you for your response and for examples in point 4. I aggree with you that we don't have privacy. Cameras are everywhere. In point 2 I agree that our country is still far behind. In my dreams I hope that will be change. I'm optymistic.
Delete1. Are face recognation a safe method to access buildings, pay for something etc?
ReplyDeleteWell, I didn't have problems with those things without this technology. It's less about safety, more about selling a product IMHO.
2. Do you think face recognation will be avaible in our country?
Yes. Eventually.
3. What about our privacy?
Your privacy is your choice, but I guess it's also one of basic human needs to have private space to a degree you feel comfortable.
4. Do you know another face recognation systems?
Nope.
Thank you for your response
Delete1. Are face recognation a safe method to access buildings, pay for something etc?
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion, this is not an entirely safe method. Even if it is very accurate, it should not be the only verification method.
2. Do you think face recognation will be avaible in our country?
I think that such systems will appear, but not on a very large scale, at least in the near future.
3. What about our privacy?
The recognition and identification of every human being can be a threat to our privacy. It is unclear who may gain unauthorised access to such information and for what purposes. It can also be used, as in China, for strict control and classification of every citizen.
4. Do you know another face recognation systems?
I have heard about the DeepFace system used by Facebook.
Thank you for your response and for example in point 4. I agree with you that face recognition systems aren't safe. The algorithms are much better than before. That's for sure. Maybe in the future...
DeleteHi!
ReplyDeleteMaybe not yet, but I suppose this method can be much safer than the others, used so far. After improving the quality of the algorithms used in such solutions, I guess it will be a very convenient way to provide safe access and to replace traditional methods.
Definitely, it will be available in Poland very soon, I strongly believe in that. Privacy is not the limit, it can be solved with appropriate legal rules.
I had no contact with such systems, but I am truly interested in practical usage in everyday life. It will be easier than all of those “pin”s and passwords.
I know only systems using our fingerprints, for example used while issuing passports, or in fitnessclubs.
I guess, this is our future.
Best regards,
Marta
Hi Marta!
DeleteThank you for your response. The algoritms are much better than before. I aggree with you that important is the quality of the algoritms. In China its working. We will see what future will bring. I'm a optymistic. I know the pin and passwords are problematic. We have to remeber it and put in on many websites. That costs time.
1) Are face recognation a safe method to access buildings, pay for something etc?
ReplyDeleteIt's hard to say whether this authorization system will be safe enough to authenticate a person in the bank as his login and password. For several years people have been trying to use biometrics as a good method of authentication. We all entered the server room using an eyeball scan. It is also a biometric authentication method. Proven for several years and meeting the safety requirements.
2) Do you think face recognation will be avaible in our country?
Hmm ... yes, sooner or later such systems will be available in Poland. Already today we use the aforementioned authentication system using the eyeball at the entrance to, for example, server rooms. Therefore, certainly such systems will be developed in Poland and around the world.
3) What about our privacy?
What about our privacy? As I have written many times on various topics in this semester, much depends on us. What data we want to disclose and what to share. Everything depends on us.
4) Do you know another face recognation systems?
Yes, I know other recognition systems. Even the aforementioned authentication system using the eyeball.
Thank you for your response and for example in point 4.
Delete1. Are face recognation a safe method to access buildings, pay for something etc?
ReplyDeleteI think it is safer than entering a pin. In more important/sensitive systems multilevel biometric authorisation can be implemented.
2. Do you think face recognation will be avaible in our country?
I had granted accsess to my working space by scaning fingerprints, but it was canceled after Trade Union action :)With face will be the same story.
3. What about our privacy?
There is no privacy nowdays. The best way to defence identity is being average citizen.
4. Do you know another face recognation systems?
No, I don't.
Thank you for your response. You are right that there is no privacy nowadays. Cameras are everywhere.
Delete1. Are face recognation a safe method to access buildings, pay for something etc?
ReplyDeleteFace recognation is fast, easy and convenient, facial recognition is a great option for consumers and many business users. However, security-conscious organizations handling sensitive data should consider iris or fingerprint for greater security
2 Do you think face recognation will be avaible in our country?
Face recognition is used on smartphones. In the case of using face recognition as an access to an account in a bank, I think that the technology will need to be improved.
3 What about our privacy?
Most systems do not store the full data, but the values of the indicators used to recognize the face. Such methods are safe.
4 Do you know another face recognation systems?
Unfortunately, I do not know.
Thank you for your response. That's interesting opinion. You are right that this technology needs improvements. There are many systems but they aren't perfect. They sometimes mistakenly recognize the face. We will see what bring future.
Delete1. I don’t think so. I don’t know how it works in China but i believe there always be a method to trick that system. Face recognition as the only way to verification for me is not a good idea.
ReplyDelete2. Do you mean like in China? I think system for catching criminals could be possible. Although if we want to catch criminals by for example using the images coming from the street’s camera, there is still a long way to accomplish that – nowadays such cameras in Poland are very poor and the images are not of the high quality, which makes it almost impossible to use it for the face recognition.
3. I don’t want to loose my rights for privacy but there must be available some compromise between security and the privacy and it is only the matter of time when it will be achieved.
4. Yes, if you have relatively new android phone you can try this:
https://9to5google.com/2017/09/12/how-to-unlock-your-android-device-with-facial-recognition-android-basics/
Thank you for your respons and for link. I aggree with you that recognation system could be tricked. As you know the algorithms used in the systems are much better but aren't perfectly. Nowdays cameras are everywhere and our privacy is limited.
DeleteThis is a great topic, I recently helped my friend with a diploma, just on this topic.There are many libraries that can already use everything, to insert the function of recognizing a person in their code
ReplyDelete1. Are face recognation a safe method to access buildings, pay for something etc?
Depends on the error percentage of this function. If this works for 99.9%, then yes, yes. Today there is FaceID which has an insanely small chance of error. The problem is only in the morality of other countries, for example the girls that wear the hijab
2 Do you think face recognation will be avaible in our country?
"Big Brother is watching." I think it's good and bad. But unfortunately everything goes to this.
3 What about our privacy?
We will be told that this is all confedial. What will only be used when there is need. But I think it will be an excellent method of shadowing
4 Do you know another face recognation systems?
There are a lot of different libraries for this. But there are not so many execution algorithms
Thank you for your resposne. It's nice to hear that you like the topic. You are right that the security depends on the percentage error. Thats for sure. I aggree with you that nowdays there are a lot of libraries that can we used for face recognation.
Delete1. Are face recognation a safe method to access buildings, pay for something etc?
ReplyDeleteIt depends if recognition happens in controlled environment or not. I wouldn't trust face recognition as access control method for some entrance located in not attended place. But in a lobby of large offic ebuilding where there is somebody for the whole time - yes.
2. Do you think face recognation will be avaible in our country?
It is: all I need is to clone a git repo and perform some training.
3. What about our privacy?
The face recognition itself does not violate privacy in any way. The aggregation of the data does, and I think it will happen.
4. Do you know another face recognation systems?
I don't know, all those police systems of searching thru mugshots?
Thank you for your response. I aggree with you that security of face recognation system depends on enviroment. In some place where a man verify the result of
Deleteface detection it will be safe. I know there are libraries that we can download but when we can used it in for example banks or companys?
Face recognition isn't the best choice for authorization method. Probably even for humans it may be de difficult to decide if two faces presented from different angle or lighting conditions are the same. Authorization system based on face recognition would be prone to mistakes.
ReplyDeleteHowever such system could be available in any country. After all it doesn't require any external database and application is provided by a private paying service and not a bank. I'm not sure about financial regulations but if such service doesn't fall under government control that application authors are free to decide on authorization system.
Face recognition is quite popular in computer vision, I know it from doing exercises for passing some course. However, I don't know any big scale working applications of face recognition.
Thank you for response. You might be right that's difficult to decide with face is correct when two faces are presented from different side.
Delete1. Is face recognition a safe method to access buildings, pay for something etc?
ReplyDeleteFace recognition is a safer way of accessing buildings, paying for purchases than using code or encryption devices, but only when the technology is properly refined. Until now, I'm not sure if it's polished enough.
2. Do you think face recognation will be avaible in our country?
I think, however, in the distant future, not because this technology is very advanced, however, because of the resistance of society for fear of security and privacy.
3. What about our privacy?
This is a key question. I believe that in our world we are constantly asked, we are able to give up part of our privacy at the expense of greater security. The only question is where is the limit of this process.
4. Do you know other face recognition systems?
I have never seen such a system live and I do not know. The only facial recognition system I've seen, I've seen in movies.
Thank you for response. You are right that important problem is the definition of the limit when we can or not give up more our privacy for better security. Nowdays there are so many cameras on the street that our privacy is limited.
Delete1. Are face recognation a safe method to access buildings, pay for something etc?
ReplyDeleteNot yet, we still can’t solve problem of the “evil twin”. So, at least for now, this method is not 100% safe
2. Do you think face recognation will be avaible in our country?
Yes, but I’ll be long gone dead 😊 We as a society are really far behind in adopting new technologies. We need at least one, or two generation changes to overcome that problem.
3. What about our privacy?
Privacy? What does it mean? Privacy is like unicorn, everyone is talking about it but nobody saw it. You probably have your phone near you which is sending ton of information about you. Privacy is a myth
4. Do you know another face recognation systems?
No
Thank you for your response. Nowadays our privacy is limited. I agree with you that the recognition system is not 100% safe. The system could be tricked.
Delete1. Are face recognation a safe method to access buildings, pay for something etc?
ReplyDeleteI do not think so. I think that a loot of problem and hackers attacks may occure. Face recognition is good for identifying people in a tasks when it does not have to be 100% accurate.
2. Do you think face recognation will be avaible in our country?I think it may be available in our country. It can work in similar way as mobile payment.
3. What about our privacy?
This is the reason why this is not a good idea. On the other side I think that people will use it because they do not care about privac so much anymore.
4. Do you know another face recognatsion systems?
No I do not know any I could named.
Thank you for your response. I aggree with you in point 1 that face recognation is good when we don't need 100% accuracy. Nowdays the algoritms used in face recognation are much better than before. Who knows what the future will bring.
Delete1. Are face recognation a safe method to access buildings, pay for something etc? Film-makers and sci-fi authors expected creation of this kind of access protection. Nowadays, it has entered the world of mobile security with latest smartphone models. Thanks to its development in this field this safety mean can develop and become a standard of the future.
ReplyDelete2. Do you think face recognation will be avaible in our country?
It already is as a part of new devices. Growth of this market can lead to its popularization, development. It nearest future it can become a part access security to buildings however at the moment it seems to expensive and not reliable enough to be widely used.
3. What about our privacy?
Face pattern as well as finger vein pattern or fingerprint is unique and can’t be changed. When it is stolen our privacy and safety will at risk. This solution require right procedures and good law regulations to be safe for everyone.
4. Do you know another face recognation systems?
‘Face ID’ which is a face recognition. With new Iphone models it can become very popular worldwide and lead to popularization of this technology.
1. Are face recognition a safe method to access buildings, pay for something etc?
ReplyDeleteNo, it's not. I've tried that on one of the most advanced airports and it completely failed to recognize my face. I will just add this link to make my argument a bit stronger.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5182512/chinese-users-claim-iphonex-face-recognition-cant-tell-them-apart/
2. Do you think face recognition will be available in our country? It's available already. What do you mean by asking this question?
3. What about our privacy? It's compromised anyway.
4. Do you know another face recognition systems? If you take a look at GitHub open projects, you will find plenty of them. It's far from being something new and exciting. Of course, we are improving it over time, but it's a slow evolution, not revolution.
1. Is face recognition a safe method to access buildings, pay for something etc?
ReplyDeleteIt depends on the technology used and implementation quality.
2. Do you think face recognition will be available in our country?
Of course, why not?
3. What about our privacy?
The same as how - you share your personal data with Facebook or other social networks, the risk is similar.
4. Do you know another face recognition systems?
I'm not an expert on this topic.
1. Are face recognation a safe method to access buildings, pay for something etc?
ReplyDeleteAs with everything, it all depends on technology that the particular programme is using. The method is just as safe, as paying for stuff by means of mobile phone.
2. Do you think face recognation will be avaible in our country?
It will, we just have to wait. We won't be able to avoid progress forever.
3. What about our privacy?
Our privacy disappeared with the appearance of social media and our will to use them.
4. Do you know another face recognation systems?
I'm not an expert in this field, so no.