Week 7 [21.05.2018 – 27.05.2018] Building
outpost of the new.
Since the European Union aims to generate by renewable energy sources up
to 80% of the total electric demand by 2050, the ideas towards integration
traditional and distributed sources have been developed. Smart grid is one of such idea. In fact it helps to provide the concept
of an interactive methodology implemented in the design IT tool for planning,
observing and operating energy power infrastructure.
I’ve taken part in
international project called Rigrid (The Rural Intelligent Grid) Network led in
the framework of the initiative ERA-Net Smart Grids Plus. Its result is demonstration
installation for modern renewable and distributed energy in Podlaskie
voivodship in Poland.
Please visit website:
Especially, I recommend
the description of project’s benefits:
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technical: http://rigrid.pl/technical/
- social: http://rigrid.pl/social/
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economic: http://rigrid.pl/economic/
Please answer the
questions:
1. Have you heard of any Polish or foreign smartgrid projects?
2. What are pros and cons such systems?
3. What will IoT ane e-mobility will bring to such systems?
Best,
Marta
1. Have you heard of any Polish or foreign smartgrid projects?
ReplyDeleteThe American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 provided funding for smart grid projects across the United States. There is a database of 526 smart grid projects. (https://ses.jrc.ec.europa.eu/inventory)
2. What are pros and cons such systems?
One challenge is that completely rebuilding the existing electrical grid will be extremely time consuming and expensive. Another concern is that the real-time pricing of smart meters may negatively affect particular industries. One example is that institutions, such as hospitals, are not able to change the temperature of their buildings as they must obey health regulations. As a result, institutions such as these will be heavily billed by utility companies, and these expenses may be carried over to consumers. A third challenge of installing a smart grid is that utilizing the internet to provide real time grid data increases the risk of privacy and security breaches.
3. What will IoT ane e-mobility will bring to such systems?
E-mobility will be a clean and environmentally friendly transport using electric vehicles that based on an innovative, climate friendly technology with big growth potential. For this dynamic sector, standards and interoperability are becoming increasingly important as they provide a predictable framework that gives innovators confidence to bring their products to market. I have read that Nissan Integrates e-Mobility with Smart Grid.
Cezary,
DeleteI am impressed, that, you've noticed potential problems with existing infrastructure. Apart from financial problems, this one seems to be the most important barrier to implement smartgrid solutions in working factories, institutions and other entities.
And thanks for info about Nissa, I wonder how advanced they are.
best,
Marta
1. Have you heard of any Polish or foreign smart grid projects?
ReplyDeleteYes, I’ve heard even about few Polish projects. First of all it is an AGH’s Smart Grid (www.smartgrid.agh.edu.pl) – the whole campus energy is managed by Smart Grid technology. Moreover I remember a Smart Grid lab somewhere in Tricity
2. What are pros and cons such systems?
In my opinion main advantage is the usage of smart meters, smart appliances, renewable energy resources and energy efficiency resources. The main disadvantages are vulnerabilities of such technologies to attacks (no smart technology - no communication - no power).
3. What will IoT and e-mobility bring to such systems?
Generally, it will bring new jobs, environmental protection and industrial development. Afterwards attacks on IoT devices and increase in energy prices. Smart Grid will benefit from new functionalities and greater opportunities to use this technology.
Damian,
Deletedo you know anybody from AGH engaded into smartgrid idea? I am asking, because I look for scientific dialogue and people interested in this issue. It could be impressive to have possibility to share with my experience and get familiar with someone's opinions.
However, thanks for your answers.
Unfortunately, no. I have a friend who works there. I talked to him and he has no contacts there on the Smart Grid issue.
DeleteMany thanks for your good will to help me :)
Delete1. Have you heard of any Polish or foreign smartgrid projects?
ReplyDeleteNot until today. I have to say that it is interesting. That could be really big step in reduce pollutions from power stations. If we don't need energy in this moment they don't need to produce them as many as so far.
2. What are pros and cons such systems?
I am pros. That could be really good solution for air pollution. I don't have idea for security additional system to smart grid project...if the serwer crash nobody will have power in home.
3. What will IoT and e-mobility will bring to such systems?
Better communication between end-users and producer. Moreover we can integrate the whole cities to produce less pollution.
For me this is not only "less pollution". It can also mean less expensive energy. But generally, yes, our main aim is saving environment and ecology.
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ReplyDelete1. Have you heard of any Polish or foreign smartgrid projects?
Thanks to your posting, I now have. But before that, it wasn't much more than the generic buzzword of the 'smart grid'.
2. What are pros and cons of such systems?
On the plus side there are certainly savings to be made. This can help any kind of electricity, including the traditional energy produced by burning coal. But renewables have much more to gain from it, because we can't control the output of them in such a manner. By adding good management of the energy we'll be able to cut back on the fossils. We shouldn't set limits upfront though. How was the 80% calculated? Most probably it's just a political catchphrase. But then there are actions taken based on such optimistic assumptions - if we'll be getting 80% from renawables, which are 'free', then why maintain the current energy generation infrastructure at all? And what you get is a debacle like in Australia (https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-energy-rich-australia-exported-its-way-into-an-energy-crisis-1499700859 - this article is behind a paywall, and it's false - blaming 'exporting too much' is a way of dancing around the taboo of criticizing 'betting [everything] on renewable energy'. But it shows that the effects are true).
Another con - loss of privacy: right now we pay our bills and 'they' know the average usage. With realtime monitoring the operators of such a system will know when we're home, and when have we turned on the washing machine.
3. What will IoT and e-mobility will bring to such systems?
These systems have been the IoT for some time now, but with economies of scale for small and smart devices, and with low energy cost of operating and communicating them, there is room for incremental advancements. If the devices are not delivering the expected ROI in one place, they can be easily re-deployed somwhere else, finding a gainful purpose there.
Tomasz, thanks for interesting link. You have found it now, or earlier?
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ReplyDeleteI've heard about this project. The idea is cool. One of the merits is the generating lesspollution to the atmosphere and, in the longer term, the reduction of economic and social costs of energy production. The demerits ofthese solutions are further transformations of the landscape and threats related to the functioning of distributed energy management systems.
You've heard about Rigrid project? Where, in what context?
DeleteHi everybody,
ReplyDeleteDamian has inspired me to ask you, if you know anybody engaged into smartgrid idea. I'll be grateful for such contacts in terms of my scientific interest. I suppose to find it valuable and impressive to share with my experience and get familiar with opinions of people also experienced in this respect.
Many thanks in advance,
best
Marta
1. Have you heard of any Polish or foreign smartgrid projects?
ReplyDeleteSorry but no.
2. What are pros and cons such systems?
I think that one big plus of this kind of solution will be health and reducing polution in the air. Big con will be the price of this system and thousands of adjustments of existing electrical system - so still price . But I also think that this can be great way for residential developers to build something unique and independent from goverment.
3. What will IoT ane e-mobility will bring to such systems?
Ease of maintenance and also ability to precise monitoring of running solution.
1. Have you heard of any Polish or foreign smartgrid projects?
ReplyDeleteHonestly, the one I have just read about is the first one I have heard about.
2. What are pros and cons such systems?
The advantage is certainly cost reduction and increased efficiency, as well as the integration of distributed energy sources, including renewable energy. The main concern, however, is the safety of such a system. We must be sure that the highest safety standards are applied when designing and operating such a system. And in case of detecting any vulnerabilities, they are immediately patched up.
3. What will IoT ane e-mobility will bring to such systems?
It will make it possible to obtain huge amounts of information. Their proper analysis will allow for better control of the electricity flow, which may contribute to lower financial and environmental losses.
1. Have you heard of any Polish or foreign smartgrid projects?
ReplyDeleteYes, I heard about similar projects. Unfortunately my colleagues about the big ones have already told. And some I learned thanks to them
2. What are pros and cons such systems?
Renewable energy is one significant plus. For example, energy (political) independence. Countries that sell energy can not put their demands, since our country will provide itself.
The next plus is environmental, it's probably pointless to talk about the benefits of renewable energy before oil / gas, etc.And, of course, economic, money will remain in the country, rather than spending money on buying energy abroad
3. What will IoT ane e-mobility will bring to such systems?
This can reduce damage to the environment, and stimulates the economy
Sebastian, could you share with me with the examples you mentioned in point 1? As I've written above, I am very much interested in the dialogue with people engaged in such project.
DeleteMan thanks in advance, i 'll be grateful.
I am asking, because together with Franhoffer Institute from Magdeburg in Germany we're fighting for second stage of the project. It shall be valuable, when we'll concentrate information, in my opinion. Poland shouldn't be the last country in Europe in this respect like it is now, should it?
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ReplyDelete1. Have you heard of any Polish or foreign smartgrid projects?
ReplyDeleteI must say that before today I haven’t been familiar with the Smart Grid projects.
2. What are pros and cons such systems?
I think that the main pros could be less polutions emited to the air, which is extremely important nowadays, when it is so hard to find a place with a clean air, lowering the cost of energy, and also development of local areas, because such projects will create a lot of new jobs for the local people.
The only con I can see right now is that it will take time to implement such solutions and it is not a fast way to deal with the source of energy.
3. What will IoT ane e-mobility will bring to such systems?
I think it will increase the efficiency of using the energy. First of all there is an incredible amount of infromation that must be analysed. Because of using IoT it will make it possible to supervise the process of using the energy and for example shut down devices wich was not actively used in a lot of hours. What’s more, it will make easier to communicate between the producer and cosumers.
1. Have you heard of any Polish or foreign smartgrid projects?
ReplyDeleteBefore, I've heard only of foreign projects, and also only in general, not some particular place where introduced.
2. What are pros and cons such systems?
The main con I see is it has to be decided who owns the infrastructure of the smart grid, all the way down to the power outlets. Smart grid either consists of cooperating agents, and then it has to have means to eliminate malicious ones, or all participants are free to introduce own agents to the grid, and then whole architesture must be designed with security in mind and resistance to actions of non-cooperative participants. The only way I can think of is mentioned above real-time pricing with all its negative consequences. There might be no way to patch up security issues (either resulting from bugs, or from bad architectural decisions) once system is in place.
3. What will IoT ane e-mobility will bring to such systems?
Complexity and increase of attack surface :-) New sensing abilities, and maybe even anticipation of irregular events of increased power requirements.
I haven't heard about such systems before and to be honest, the idea isn't fully clear to me. If I understand it correctly it's some kind of conception that will improve operational part of distributing electric energy. Based on this understanding, access to more data regarding power usage can definetelly improve resources management and keep infrastructure costs at optimum levels.
ReplyDelete1. Have you heard of any Polish or foreign smartgrid projects?
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, I have not heard. I have seen in the media projects of Polish scientists regarding renewable energy sources, innovative ideas of ecological technologies, however, I have never heard about the smartgrid project.
2. What are pros and cons of such systems?
I think that the basic problem is the requirement to rebuild the existing electricity network which will require very large funds and time. The second important problem is the susceptibility of technologies to hacker attacks and limiting our privacy by monitoring our activity on a regular basis, whether we are at home or not.
3. What will IoT and e-mobility do to bring to such systems?
I think that this will help reduce financial losses thanks to the control of electricity flow. Generally speaking, it will contribute to the development of entrepreneurship, the creation of new jobs and support pro-ecological activities.
1. Have you heard of any Polish or foreign smartgrid projects?
ReplyDeleteI honestly I haven't heared. The subject is interesting and definitely worth attention. I used to read about intelligent sensors, reflecting on the possible subject of my doctoral thesis. I used to work at a company specializing in wind turbines.
2. What are pros and cons of such systems?
The downside is the threat of cyber attacks on such a network. On the other hand, a system that will help reduce energy and connect energy suppliers. It will provide faster response in the event of network failure.
3. What will IoT and e-mobility do to bring to such systems?
I think IoT will help reduce the costs of creating a Smart Grid network.
1. Have you heard of any Polish or foreign smartgrid projects?
ReplyDeleteI know that this topic is interesting for many of us here but unfortunately I haven't heard of any smartgrid project.
2. What are pros and cons such systems?
The main benefficient would be an environment. Less pollutions is significant advantage. The main disadvantage is the cost.
3. What will IoT ane e-mobility will bring to such systems?
It may increase the probability of hacker attacks and getting access of unwanted persons.
1. Have you heard of any Polish or foreign smartgrid projects?
ReplyDelete2. What are pros and cons such systems?
3. What will IoT ane e-mobility will bring to such systems?
I must say that those questions are very hard for me. I’m totally uninterested in this part of science. I do not know any of smartgrid projects not only in Poland, but in any country. About pros and cons I can say that I think it might have a good impact on our environment, and that is a very important factor. But we need to remember that such systems are always vulnerable for different types of attacks from hackers.
1) Have you heard of any Polish or foreign smartgrid projects?
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry but I haven't heard - I will say differently to the present that I haven't received information about such projects in Poland.
2) What are pros and cons such systems?
Hard to say. At 100%, the price at the moment will play a big role. This solution will be cool, but expensive and not everyone will be able to afford it. On the other hand, independence, such as at wind farms or solar farms, can bring great satisfaction.
3) What will IoT ane e-mobility will bring to such systems?
It is certainly easy to monitor its operation, moreover, it is possible to exercise supervision remotely regardless of the distance between the control panel and the place where the system is installed.
Have you heard of any Polish or foreign smartgrid projects?
ReplyDeleteUntil now, I have not.
What are pros and cons such systems?
I think of the savings which could be made. Undoubtedly, it is also the usage of smart meters as well as renewable energy resources and energy efficiency resources. Thinking about the cons of such systems I would indicate the privacy and vulnerability of the technology to any kind of attacks.
What will IoT and e-mobility will bring to such systems?
I think of the reduction of time in the communication between the providers and users. The energy consumption will be more efficient provided that the data will be analysed correctly.
1. Have you heard of any Polish or foreign smartgrid projects? The first time, I thought that we have already something in our electric area, but I'm not sure about it.
ReplyDelete2. What are pros and cons such systems? Accessibility, maintainability will be improved. High initial cost should be paid in the nearest future. However, I'm not sure if this particular investment was the best choice, but it's a good start for Poland generally.
3. What will IoT ane e-mobility will bring to such systems? Improved diagnostics, a faster reaction on technical problems and something like this.
Sorry, if I instead of provoking some interest in this topic, I introduced mess for those who hadn't possibility to get familiar with the idea. however, if someone is interested, I encourage to contact with me. As I've written in meantime, we're fighting for money for 2nd stage of the project. I hope to continue and spread the idea in Poland.
ReplyDeletegood night to everybody,
Marta
1. Have you heard of any Polish or foreign smart grid projects?
ReplyDeleteNo, sorry 🙂
2. What are pros and cons such systems?
As I'm not an expert, I am unable to discuss it like that.
3. What will IoT ane e-mobility will bring to such systems?
The same as above.
1. Have you heard of any Polish or foreign smartgrid projects?
ReplyDeleteUp to now, not really, at least when it comes to Polish projects related to this area.
2. What are pros and cons of such systems?
I'm not an expert in this field, but I guess rebuilding the existing electricity network might be extremely expensive and time consuming and of course it would require a lot of cooperation and good will of all the people involved.
3. What will IoT and e-mobility do to bring to such systems?
I would say some serious time savings and improved diagnostics.