Dear colleagues,
I would like to virtually expose you on effects of psychedelics, especially LSD - with life of Amanda Feilding in the background.
The article will guide you through her short biography and her approach to learning leading to quite fresh description of what's the official standpoint of western culture but what I care about is your personal POV on the subject.
Have a nice reading trip, cheers.
https://www.wired.com/story/inside-the-mind-of-amanda-feilding-countess-of-psychedelic-science/
1) Describe in few sentences how do you perceive the impact of usage of LSD and/or other psychedelics on a branch of IT you are exploring now.
2) What is your point of view on legality of edible substances (in general)?
Should the flow be supervised by authorities - eg. creating a taboo to control certain behaviours - or is there any 'golden mean' to fix the situation?
3) 2nd question leads to this one : Supervised AI Learning or Unsupervised AI Learning? and to what extent? Try to describe the boundaries of self-knowledge.
4) Pick your favourite LSD junkie from IT (except Steve Jobs) and justify your choice.
1) Describe in few sentences how do you perceive the impact of usage of LSD and/or other psychedelics on a branch of IT you are exploring now.
ReplyDeleteHonestly I never thought that we will talk about such topics in here, I do not think that LSD or any other psychedelics have impact in IT at all. I would be cautious about such articles and what amount of truth is in them.
2) What is your point of view on legality of edible substances (in general)?
Should the flow be supervised by authorities - eg. creating a taboo to control certain behaviours - or is there any 'golden mean' to fix the situation?
I do not think they should be legal. We know how many people die because of overdose or having a ‘vision’ that caused their death. Of course there should be a lot of research to understand it more and to know how it affects brain.
3) 2nd question leads to this one : Supervised AI Learning or Unsupervised AI Learning? and to what extent? Try to describe the boundaries of self-knowledge.
I think it should be supervised just for the sake of understanding the results and repairing potential mistakes or just making some algorithms better.
4) Pick your favourite LSD junkie from IT (except Steve Jobs) and justify your choice.
I have no idea about LSD junkies in general and I do not have much knowledge about that. I guess everyone make some choices, but definitely using psychedelics is not something that everyone publicly know about. So I guess even if Zuckerberg or anyone else is doing it why would I know about that.
First of all thank you for being the 1st to comment.
DeleteHonestly I'm not surprised I have to comment on such politically correct response. "I do not think that LSD or any other psychedelics have impact in IT at all." - that sentence might be partially correct, although saying that A has no impact on B in system C 'at all' (where A and B are the variables in C) is not a scientific approach. I'd suggest taking A as an element of uncertainty if you don't have any solid knowledge about the subject. The article comes from the source adviced to use in this seminar and it's not the point to debunk it just because it covers topics unknown to you. "We know how many people die because of overdose or having a ‘vision’ that caused their death." - that's a standard comment derrived from urban legends for kids. You probably won't bother reading this one :
https://www.drugpolicy.org/sites/default/files/LSD_Facts_Sheet.pdf
To make it brief for you ,here's a quotation : "Although lethal doses have been determined from
experiments in several animal models,xliii there has
never been a recorded case of death exclusively
attributed to LSD in humans."
Regarding the fourth question I was wondering do you read biographies of IT people, you would probably know more about their lifestyles and diet. That's actually the hidden question with a broader view behind the 1st one : Does the diet (what kind of data you eat-process) affects your thought patterns->behaviour->things you invent.
Hello
ReplyDeleteI will answer all questions in a nutshell. I can't imagine a return to the time of the morphinists. We all know that Adam Mickiewicz was great morphinists, but it was 18-19th century. Do you imagine creating new branches of IT, under the influence of intoxicating substances, whose possession in Poland is punishable?
I will say it briefly, I do not want to discuss it, although the article is interesting.
Good luck
But you are talking about AM as if he had any impact on you. And he actually did. Morphine is quite widely used in medicine in cases of severe pain, so there is a conscious application of a given chemical structure in society. "Do you imagine creating new branches of IT, under the influence of intoxicating substances, whose possession in Poland is punishable?" - check this one :
Deletehttps://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/apr/11/lsd-impact-brain-revealed-groundbreaking-images
It's all about understanding how the brain works, and who we are, not the crime and punishment story.
“Taking LSD was a profound experience, one of the most important things in my life. LSD shows you that there’s another side to the coin, and you can’t remember it when it wears off, but you know it. It reinforced my sense of what was important—creating great things instead of making money, putting things back into the stream of history and of human consciousness as much as I could.” - Steve Jobs
1) Describe in few sentences how do you perceive the impact of usage of LSD and/or other psychedelics on a branch of IT you are exploring now.
ReplyDeleteI don't think there is a direct connection. Maybe some people are doing drugs on the side, but it probably isn't their ritual of getting into 'the zone' to do work. On a tangent - I don't overclock my hardware, unless it belongs to my employer and there is a rationale to do it.
2) What is your point of view on legality of edible substances (in general)?
Should the flow be supervised by authorities - eg. creating a taboo to control certain behaviours - or is there any 'golden mean' to fix the situation?
It's a difficult question. If such substances are currently illegal, I don't see a need to change the status quo. The people desperate to do some psychedelic research can just visit Czech Republic and conduct their experiments. That doesn't mean it's good to have a police state to fight it. And the social taboo is working just right.
3) 2nd question leads to this one : Supervised AI Learning or Unsupervised AI Learning? and to what extent? Try to describe the boundaries of self-knowledge.
This question goes a bit too far, so I'll pretend it wasn't asked.
4) Pick your favourite LSD junkie from IT (except Steve Jobs) and justify your choice.
I'm afraid I can't name any specifics. I'm not a fan of Steve, by the way. Nor many other fabricated idols for the masses. The name junkie is misleading - the successful users of such substances usually take the microdosage route. At least those who can later brag about living to the ripe old age of 74. And then, why single out the substance use? Aren't there many more creative ways of messing with you brain? (take polyphasic sleep from the top of my head).
" I don't overclock my hardware, unless it belongs to my employer and there is a rationale to do it." - your hardware belongs to you IMO:) not your employer, even if you're a slave building a pyramid you have free will. "And the social taboo is working just right." - taboos always work, but usually on a cost of individuals - like creating a culture where woman breasts have to be hidden with a bra - just for the sake of control. "The name junkie is misleading" - it is, I'm messing with you a bit. "And then, why single out the substance use?" - the article mentioned blood flow control and diet, it's rather about understanding those tools and their effect on the consciousness of individuals. Becoming a conscious creator needs a bit of detachment from the flock based structure - not copying, understanding and adjusting your behaviour to creatively modify the environment.
DeleteIt does not matter in terms of time. When it comes to safety and knowledge, it is safer to try to preserve a species that is dying out. Reconstruction of an extinct species can have unexpected consequences. Unfortunately, such a study is illegal in Poland.
ReplyDeleteIf someone really wants to get illegal substances, he will get them anyway. The establishment of a list of banned substances leads to a black market. Black market substances are often unpolluted. There is no golden mean.
Unattended learning is handled on a given set of data. The learning limit is the data set on which the network operates. There is also a border between the rules that make up the network, and they cannot be infinitely many.
Which species are we talking about - conscious human being? Plz give me some more light about that. As far as the history goes, humanity has been living the dream of harvesting the Earth's resources, so tell me more of preserving life in a city where people are genuinly scared by boars, spiders, mice. "nattended learning is handled on a given set of data. The learning limit is the data set on which the network operates. There is also a border between the rules that make up the network, and they cannot be infinitely many." - that leads me to the question, what is the set of data of reality - it seems to be quite unlimited, and by using programmable models we have to consciously pick finite number of variables from the potentially infitite set. So having x1,x2,x3 model from x1,x2,x3,x4 based reality is just an abstraction that can solve problem when we know that x4 is superfluous.
Delete"When it comes to safety and knowledge, it is safer to try to preserve a species that is dying out." - I hope you are not still in this topic : Can and Should Genome Engineering Lead to Extinct Species Resurrection?
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ReplyDelete1) Describe in few sentences how do you perceive the impact of usage of LSD and/or other psychedelics on a branch of IT you are exploring now.
I would never have thought that I would meet such a topic here. That's what really makes me close (I'm joking). I watch the TV series "Silicon Valley" it's about programmers So, there in one of the series, the programmer took Ritalin. to increase concentration, and less to sleep, solely for work. I was amazed, and read an entire article about it. There appear to be some percentage of programmers who take stimulants in order to work better, faster and more efficiently. And it's not just in IT.
2) What is your point of view on legality of edible substances (in general)?
Should the flow be supervised by authorities - eg. creating a taboo to control certain behaviours - or is there any 'golden mean' to fix the situation?
I do not know, I did not study the harm of these drugs. In some sources they write that they are safer than alcohol or tobacco. There are many different drugs. from one person turns into a vegetable, from others it is simply stimulated by more than a few cups of coffee (probably).
3) 2nd question leads to this one : Supervised AI Learning or Unsupervised AI Learning? and to what extent? Try to describe the boundaries of self-knowledge.
I think it should be controlled, for obtaining results, searching for errors, and analyzing what to improve in the future
4) Pick your favourite LSD junkie from IT (except Steve Jobs) and justify your choice.
I, from the future of course(I'm kidding, probably).Honestly, I do not know many drug addict programmers
"(I'm joking)" - huff, you passed the Turing test for me :)
Delete"There are many different drugs. from one person turns into a vegetable [...]" s**t, you've reminded me that I didn't have my vegetables today YET.
"Try to describe the boundaries of self-knowledge.
I think it should be controlled, for obtaining results, searching for errors, and analyzing what to improve in the future" - I just simply can't wait for AI doing parkour outside the lab.
1) Describe in few sentences how do you perceive the impact of usage of LSD and/or other psychedelics on a branch of IT you are exploring now.
ReplyDeleteI have never thought about that. I think that even if I were to search existing sources, I wouldn't be able to find a real answer to it, drug addiction isn't something people like to boast about.
2) What is your point of view on legality of edible substances (in general)? Should the flow be supervised by authorities - eg. creating a taboo to control certain behaviours - or is there any 'golden mean' to fix the situation?
If scientific evidence is provided of the effectiveness of a substance, e.g. for a mental illness, it should be legal for patients. In this case, the flow would be supervised by the authorities. In general, this should be the exception rather than the rule.
3) 2nd question leads to this one : Supervised AI Learning or Unsupervised AI Learning? and to what extent? Try to describe the boundaries of self-knowledge.
I believe that it should be supervised. This is the only way to fully understand the results obtained.
4) Pick your favourite LSD junkie from IT (except Steve Jobs) and justify your choice.
I do not know of any addicts. I have never been interested in a biography of well-known people from the IT world in this context.
"drug addiction isn't something people like to boast about" - be aware I'm not talking about addictive behaviour - like a person using a running with a hammer , using it for every activity.
Delete"This is the only way to fully understand the results obtained." - suppose you meet an animal. To understand it down to the core, you have to observe it without affecting it's behaviour. And that's impossible due to the uncertainty principle, that even observation affects. And we are using animals as pets depriving them of their nature, breeding them, changing their behaviours for self profit. This has a reflection in human relations eg. schools, which are like :
Teacher's question : ABABAB?
Student : BABBAB
Teacher's response : True
Teacher's question : ABABAB?
Student : BABBAA
Teacher's response : False
So the response is driven by the key given by authority and it can differ depends under what system you live. It's quite a fresh topic, just jump through some TV news stations and try to compare the slight differences of the data given by station A and station B. That's why empirical thinking and doing.
1) Describe in few sentences how do you perceive the impact of usage of LSD and/or other psychedelics on a branch of IT you are exploring now.
ReplyDeleteI'm didn't think about it before. I don't have foggiest idea what impact LSD could have on programming. Meybe less stressfull when the deadline is coming but nothing more.
2) What is your point of view on legality of edible substances (in general)?
Should the flow be supervised by authorities - eg. creating a taboo to control certain behaviours - or is there any 'golden mean' to fix the situation?
Everyone who want any substance he could the way to find and get it. It doesn't metter is someone ban substance. It can only prevent and stop person who are scary of punishment.
3) 2nd question leads to this one : Supervised AI Learning or Unsupervised AI Learning? and to what extent? Try to describe the boundaries of self-knowledge.
I think that supervised AI learning let us to get intended target. If we let AI for unsupervised flow moreoften we would get information which aren't real.
4) Pick your favourite LSD junkie from IT (except Steve Jobs) and justify your choice.
I have never interesting who use LSD (I didn't know also that Steve Jobs get LSD) becouse for me inportant are someone achievements.
"I don't have foggiest idea what impact LSD could have on programming." - it's all about thought patterns, if you are aware that you don't have to cook the dish the same way for all your life that's a good step to start playing with form, taste and other variables, probably unnoticed previously.
Delete"If we let AI for unsupervised flow moreoften we would get information which aren't real." - hopefully not a too intimate question : do you FEEL better being or not being supervised? And why? Try to catch the feeling not the thought.
Piotr,
ReplyDeletewhat a scary topic…
I am definitely against any compromise in terms of such substances acceptance. I mean not only direct usage, but having benefits in accordance to them, suggesting their great impact on human brain – all of that I consider to be very dangerous in respect to the example we as adults give to young people.
Referring to my opinion mentioned above, I wouldn’t like any of such issues influence my branch, for me earning money in any linking to such topics cannot be judged as ethic or morally accepted. I am conscious, how strict point of view I represent, versus potential incomes resulting from “compromised” usage of this kind of topics in computer games, education IT tools, etc. But I believe having some principle rules in our life is the only way to improve our everyday reality, step by step.
As for legalization of such substances, this is similar to alcohol case. I know, all of us know, how such prohibitions work. Soft substances cannot be totally forbidden, but the hard ones should be, in my opinion.
Regarding to supervised or unsupervised learning, I’d choose the first one. Always it is better to control potential results.
And, consequently, for the reasons described above in the beginning, I am sorry, but I am not going to choose my favorite LSD junkie. I respect other people’s opinions. For me any positive opinions in this respect are dangerous, that’s it.
Best,
Marta
1) Describe in few sentences how do you perceive the impact of usage of LSD and/or other psychedelics on a branch of IT you are exploring now.
ReplyDeleteIt is difficult to say because I have never thought about it or see anyone who would take any psychedelics. I think that in most cases work in it requires clarity of mind and someone who regularly takes drugs can't make career there. I've read the last question and I hardly believe that Steve Jobs was a junkie, maybe occasionally but it won't be possible to lead a company being addicted.
2) What is your point of view on legality of edible substances (in general)?
Should the flow be supervised by authorities - eg. creating a taboo to control certain behaviours - or is there any 'golden mean' to fix the situation?
I think that psychedelic substances should be illegal unless there is very strong medical reason to give it to patients. That in fact include also medical research as without it it won't be possible to know when and how to use this substances.
3) 2nd question leads to this one : Supervised AI Learning or Unsupervised AI Learning? and to what extent? Try to describe the boundaries of self-knowledge.
I think that both are AI are necessary. Supervised AI can predict or classify something when unsupervised may help to discover new patterns.
4) Pick your favourite LSD junkie from IT (except Steve Jobs) and justify your choice
I do not know anyone so I can't answer this question.
1) Describe in few sentences how do you perceive the impact of usage of LSD and/or other psychedelics on a branch of IT you are exploring now.
ReplyDeleteI recently read about using "hallucinated" stimuli for learning of agents, with some positive results: behaviors trained in a dream worked also when agent operated in normal mode.
2) What is your point of view on legality of edible substances (in general)?
Should the flow be supervised by authorities - eg. creating a taboo to control certain behaviors - or is there any 'golden mean' to fix the situation?
I think we have to be very careful when imposing control over substances, numbers, physical objects... It is too easy to overreach and set some branch of science decades back. There have to be undeniable social harm to justify such control. Unfortunately it happens too often that lawmakers ban something "just because".
3) 2nd question leads to this one : Supervised AI Learning or Unsupervised AI Learning? and to what extent? Try to describe the boundaries of self-knowledge.
Unsupervised! It allows to reach singularity much faster :-)
4) Pick your favourite LSD junkie from IT (except Steve Jobs) and justify your choice.
I didn't even know Jobs was using LSD... Maybe some early Acorn or Commodore engineers?
I don't know if anything in IT was affected by LSD or other psychedelic substances. Maybe authors of famous machine learning algorithms were using such psychedelics but I'm not aware of that.
ReplyDeletePersonally, I don't like government integration in what drugs can be used and what can't. People should have a free will for that matter. However, it doesn't affect me in any way, probably my life wouldn't change too much even if tobacco and alcohol were banned.
I'm not sure if you haven't misunderstood those concepts. Supervised learning is when we have labeled data and we train models to predict those labels. Unsupervised is when we don't have labels and want our models to somehow organize the data. It doesn't mean that we limit or not what AI is learning (for example to prevent it from finding a way to destroy humanity).
I don't know any famous junkies in IT.
1) Describe in few sentences how do you perceive the impact of usage of LSD and/or other psychedelics on a branch of IT you are exploring now.
ReplyDeleteIt’s a heavy question. I don’t know what to say. I think not.
2) What is your point of view on legality of edible substances (in general)?
I think that drugs used in medicine should be legal, but only for selected people. Access to them should be under the control of government. For an ordinary person should not be available.
3) 2nd question leads to this one : Supervised AI Learning or Unsupervised AI Learning?
I think supervised learning. Not so long ago, tests of AI in mutual communication were carried out. After some time, AI used a language that could not be understood by people. The researchers were scared and ended the experiment. This shows that it's better to use supervised learning to have control over learning and intervene if necessary.
4) Pick your favourite LSD junkie from IT (except Steve Jobs) and justify your choice
I don't know anyone
1) Describe in few sentences how do you perceive the impact of usage of LSD and/or other psychedelics on a branch of IT you are exploring now.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, nice article. Something new, refreshing. However, It's hard to elaborate and easily answer your question. I have no idea how it impacts IT in comparison to other branches.
2) What is your point of view on legality of edible substances (in general)?
Should the flow be supervised by authorities - eg. creating a taboo to control certain behaviours - or is there any 'golden mean' to fix the situation?
Probably, the same way we are controlling alcohol and so on. At least our government will get additional money from taxes.
3) 2nd question leads to this one : Supervised AI Learning or Unsupervised AI Learning? and to what extent? Try to describe the boundaries of self-knowledge.
Why not both? I think it's better to evaluate both and just use them to specialized cases.
4) Pick your favourite LSD junkie from IT (except Steve Jobs) and justify your choice.
I haven't read his biography. It looks like you need an extra chemical boost to be creative :) I have no answer to this question.
1) Describe in few sentences how do you perceive the impact of usage of LSD and/or other psychedelics on a branch of IT you are exploring now.
ReplyDeleteI'm exploring Parkinson's biomarkers right now, and as far as I'm aware of, Parkinson's disease (PD) is high on the list of potential usage of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol in a therapeutic way.
2) What is your point of view on legality of edible substances (in general)? Should the flow be supervised by authorities - eg. creating a taboo to control certain behaviours - or is there any 'golden mean' to fix the situation?
I think that they are not distinguished from nicotine or alcohol, and they should be legal, controlled and taxed.
3) 2nd question leads to this one : Supervised AI Learning or Unsupervised AI Learning? and to what extent? Try to describe the boundaries of self-knowledge.
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4) Pick your favourite LSD junkie from IT (except Steve Jobs) and justify your choice.
I've heard about Bill Gates who also took LSD. To be honest, I think that most of them were taking it.
Thank you for an interesting article. In my view, knowledge on this subject is very limited and it is difficult to talk about the impact of these substances on the development of science or other areas of our functioning. Limitations in my opinion result from high financial and social costs caused by drug addiction. At your last question I will give one quite good but an old example - Stefan Banach...
ReplyDeleteThank you for an interesting article. To be honest, I've never thought of impact of psychedelics, LSD on IT. I mean, I' m not giving much thoughts to narcotics at all. In my opinion only really disturbed people with really disturbed minds need such "support" to invent something interesting, to make a difference to the world. I'm not saying that those people are not great minds, because they are, I'm just saying that this way of reinventing reality and changing the modern world is not the ideal way of dealing with things. But still,I found the article really amusing.
ReplyDelete1) Describe in few sentences how do you perceive the impact of usage of LSD and/or other psychedelics on a branch of IT you are exploring now.
ReplyDeleteI do not see any connection, at least not bigger than in any other part of our live. I would like to write couple of sentences but I have no idea what could I say here.
2) What is your point of view on legality of edible substances (in general)?
Should the flow be supervised by authorities - eg. creating a taboo to control certain behaviours - or is there any 'golden mean' to fix the situation?
We should talk about that and we should discuss it but I don’t think that some of the substances should be legale. Discussion about which of them should be and which of them should not is very hard and problematic
3) 2nd question leads to this one : Supervised AI Learning or Unsupervised AI Learning? and to what extent? Try to describe the boundaries of self-knowledge.
I think that Unsupervised is something that we want to create. Humans can learn using both methods, if we want to create real AI it also should learn like we do.
4) Pick your favourite LSD junkie from IT (except Steve Jobs) and justify your choice.
I have no idea who is LSD junkie
1) Describe in few sentences how do you perceive the impact of usage of LSD and/or other psychedelics on a branch of IT you are exploring now.
ReplyDeleteIt’s hard to say but I suppose it may have any connection. Cybersecurity is on the one hand a complex topic, on the other based on principles and standards. Ironically, psychedelics can be good for hackers... I also think about the Dark Web, where you can meet similar things.
2) What is your point of view on legality of edible substances (in general)?
Should the flow be supervised by authorities - eg. creating a taboo to control certain behaviours - or is there any 'golden mean' to fix the situation?
In my opinion everything should be available for adults. The role of authorities is to supervise (protect) the availability of such items for minors.
3) 2nd question leads to this one : Supervised AI Learning or Unsupervised AI Learning? and to what extent? Try to describe the boundaries of self-knowledge.
I think that AI Learning should be supervised by human. AI is a human creation, so man should also have control over it. Who else can better oversee AI than man?
4) Pick your favourite LSD junkie from IT (except Steve Jobs) and justify your choice.
I don’t know any such IT guys. On the other hand I have heard about Thomas Edison and Pablo Picasso that they were drug addicts, somehow… The first one liked wine with cocaine leaves and the second one opium and morphine.
1. I see that many of nowadays inventions were predicted by former hardcore science-fiction novelist, and I don’t know, what exactly they were taking, but I remember that some of them were using psychedelics. For example Philip K. Dick, who has taken psychodelics, predicted touchscreens and subscriptions ( You can laugh at it, but right now we must pay monthly or yearly subscriptions for apps , maybe in few years we will pay subscriptions for bath using either;).
ReplyDelete2) What is your point of view on legality of edible substances (in general)?
is there any 'golden mean' to fix the situation?
I don’t really care if someone takes the edible substances in its own house, my only consideration is the social effects, which are related to such usage. For example it can be no acceptance for drunk drivers or parents who are drug users. I am sure that no matter if such substances are forbidden or not, people still may use them.
I think reasonable idea is to focus on curing drug addicts, not punishing them, but also focus on strongly punishing criminals mentioned in the above paragraph.
3) 2nd question leads to this one : Supervised AI Learning or Unsupervised AI Learning? and to what extent?
Why not try it both ways?
4) I don’t know any of drug users from the IT field, but as I mentioned above Philip K. Dick is the drug user, and for sure I like his books a lot.
ReplyDelete1) Describe in few sentences how do you perceive the impact of usage of LSD and/or other psychedelics on a branch of IT you are exploring now.
Probably it has some kind of correlation that I do not know.
2) What is your point of view on legality of edible substances (in general)?
I am not sure does any golden mean exists. In general people take some strange substances even if they are not legal … but I think they should stay prohibited - with some exceptions. But it is not interesting topic for me - I am not an expert ;) It should be discussion between people who can discuss about pros and cons.
3) 2nd question leads to this one : Supervised AI Learning or Unsupervised AI Learning? and to what extent? Try to describe the boundaries of self-knowledge.
I believe that we are looking for the methods that would be some kind of composition of this methods. Even people mix this kind of methods during their education process
4) Pick your favourite LSD junkie from IT (except Steve Jobs) and justify your choice.
Today - you are! (based on you replies ;))
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