I encourage you to read the whole, the article is divisible by the creator in two parts, the first written in easy language, the second part more scientific. This article presents the concept of a hyperloop.
- Do you think the solution could be an alternative to air travel?
- Do you see threats to this solution? Eg tectonic motions or other?
- Have you seen similar projects? Please describe them briefly.
To be honest, I have many doubts. But let's talk about it.
Any comment? This is a really interesting article :)
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DeleteSuch kind of means of transportation could be an interesting alternative to aircraft and trains. Of course only if it is really safe and much faster than the the currently available means of transportation. As per the second question, as it was stated in the article building an appropriate system on pylons could dramatically mitigate the risk of earthquakes and tectonic movements. The idea reminds me of a movie with Colin Farrel "Total Recall". There was a similar means of transportation there that enabled travelling between two continents located on two different earth hemispheres. But in the movie the track went through the kernel of Earth. Modern technology is not that advanced, so as to follow the motif from the movie, but maybe at least we will have a similar means of transportation connecting different cities, countries on the very same continent, on the very same hemisphere.
ReplyDeleteI wasn't on a weekend but I think we can still discuss it.
DeleteThank you for your comment, you are right, pylons can solve the problem of earthquakes.
In theory, this means of transport will be weatherproof, safe, fast and has low energy consumption. Musk assumes that advanced versions will be able to reach hypersonic speeds (from 6150 to 12 300 kph). Progress in the development of high speed rail in the past was hampered by friction and air resistance. Vacuum rail theoretically eliminates these obstacles, but the cost of maintaining the vacuum at long distances is very high.
ReplyDeleteThis solution is very interesting, it may be useful under certain conditions, but in my opinion it won’t be a significant competition for air traffic in general. This solution can be checked on sections where many people travel and the distance is too high for a car and too small for an airplane.
One of the dangers is the tectonic movement. Another failure - for example, many miles from the city would run out of energy in the tunnel. How to evacuate passengers? Pipe damage would be a tempting target for terrorists. On the other hand, the system could be unpopular because of different phobias - critics of Hyperloop say that the experience of driving in a narrow, tight, windowless capsule in a steel tunnel that is subjected to significant acceleration.
The idea of carrying passengers in pneumatic tubes isn’t new. George Medhurst wrote about the system using the air to accelerate the capsules. At the beginning of the 19th century were several similar projects. These projects were known as atmospheric railway. The pneumatic railway was at the Crystal Palace in London for several months in 1864. It used a 6.7m diameter steam driven fans to accelerate the capsules. In August 2010, China announced that it would build a vacuum train.
I was not on a weekend but i can still discuss it. Thank you for quoting the history of the nineteenth century. As for earthquakes, the solution is as above (in the use of pylons).
DeleteMaciek thanks for this interesting and a very, very long publication. I have heard before about this idea and I think it was during our English course. This project was created by Elon Musk and in his offices it is still developed. Hyperloop is a proposed mode of passenger and freight transportation that would propel a pod-like vehicle through a reduced-pressure tube that would exceed airliner speed. I heard that transporting 7.4 million people each way (form Los Angeles to San Francisco in 35 minutes) every year and amortizing the cost of $6 billion over 20 years gives a ticket price of $20 for a one-way trip for the passenger version of Hyperloop. In my opinion this idea is very interesting but of course never changes for example planes or crafts. Hyperloop has a lot of advantages but also has many disadvantages. I reckon this kind of public transport will be developed only inside each continent because loop over the ocean will be very difficult to achieve and very expensive to built. I hope hyperloop will complete other transports method and in the future we will choose more flexibly in this area.
ReplyDelete1. Do you think the solution could be an alternative to air travel?
ReplyDeleteWell it seems like a good idea, I am not an expert in calculating what are costs to make it happen, but it seams less scary than air travel, it is fast - in comparison to car, bus and train. I absolutely agree that it could be an alternative to air travel. Also for deliveries of packages, products and so on.
2. Do you see threats to this solution? Eg tectonic motions or other?
I have no idea how it can influence our health? Is it absolutely safety (I am not talking about potential accidents, but about normal usage)? What in case of emergency how the procedure will look like? What about motion sickness? Is there a possibility of collision? Some critics of Hyperloop focused on the experience - potentially unpleasant and frightening - in a narrow, airtight, windowless steel tunnel capsule that is subjected to significant acceleration. Noise caused by air is compressed and distributed around the capsule at the speed of sound, which would cause vibration
3. Have you seen similar projects? Please describe them briefly.
I have not seen many similar projects. They probably exists but I was never too interested in this subject, so I can’t describe them. The only one I know is the ET3 Global Alliance (ET3) that was founded by Daryl Oster in 1997 with the intention of creating a global transport system using passenger capsules moving in vacuum tunnels.
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ReplyDeletethis concept looks like super fast railway so it has a chance to be best mass transport method. Unfortunately in contrast to airway it needs special tunnel from point A to B. Maintenance of this "road" might be more complex than at air travel method but idea is very good.
If we are talking about threats - the biggest one might be any "leak" in the installation. I believe that a engineers can solve problem of tectonic motions. Next problem is that the idea is not implemented and tested yet in real world environment. Can it be:
-Safer (airplane travel is safe in my opinion)
-Faster (if they optimise check in and so on... but what with safety then?)
-Lower cost (it depends)
-More convenient (here it is possible ... in airplanes we do not have extra leg space usually :))
-Immune to weather (I do not know)
Traveling by train is convenient - the biggest issue are delays (in Poland) … so any optimized method similar to nowadays trains can be good. I have heard about flying cars, but I haven’t seen them ;). Autonomous cars as a method of travelling might be a good practice too, because a lot of people can easily work during this kind of travel.
I was not on a weekend but i can still discuss it. I have a similar opinion as you, now we have good transport, which provide a fast travel. I will add that the present, planes and fast train are highly developed. Before the hyperloop long way.
DeleteDo you think the solution could be an alternative to air travel?
ReplyDeleteI think one day this solution may be an alternative to air travel. Everything that is faster, safer and cheaper could be.
Do you see threats to this solution? Eg tectonic motions or other?
I don't see any other threats expect of that mentioned before. However, some people may develop phobia as it is in case of flying etc,
Have you seen similar projects? Please describe them briefly.
Unfortunately I haven't seen similar projects.
1. Do you think the solution could be an alternative to air travel?
ReplyDeleteYes it could and I think that it will be alternative if the cost will be proper. Air travel is not as good as everybody think. For example yesterday in China arrived first land transport of goods from UK. They transported it using train because it is much faster than using ships and much cheaper than using planes. That is why for sure if the cost will be properly low than it will be an alternative
2. Do you see threats to this solution? Eg tectonic motions or other?
It is hard to think about such threats. This is all just a concept, possible with proper technology but still a concept. With this speed and this level of details to achieve it a lot of small mistakes/problems can grow to very big threat.
3. Have you seen similar projects? Please describe them briefly.
No, I did not
Do you think the solution could be an alternative to air travel?
ReplyDeleteI don't think so. Sadly, because it would be awesome. I think it's too vurnelable to earthquakes for example. It looks awesome in theory to be honest. I'm looking forward to see it, but I'm very cautious.
Do you see threats to this solution? Eg tectonic motions or other?
Look above. I can think of many more problems.
Have you seen similar projects? Please describe them briefly.
Apart from Plasma engines for spaceships I haven't. I think Boeing is building with Airbus new Concorde with hybrid engines, jet/rocket ones .
I was not on a weekend but i can still discuss it. You're right it's super cool. What do you think of using short sections Hyperloop eg 100km?
Delete1) Do you think the solution could be an alternative to air travel?
ReplyDeleteI'm a big fan of Elon Musk he is one true visionair, currently we need a first successful implementation of this idea and than we will be able to estimate the cost of operations, security measures, practical usage etc. I don't find it possible we will ever build LA->WAW tunnel with hyperloop so I don't think it's a real alternative to air travel but I think it's real alternative to domestic flights to be more specific.
2) Do you see threats to this solution? Eg tectonic motions or other?
Anything what can cause deprsurization of the tube is a threat to this solution. Also I think very common situation with terrorist's attack it's much easier to secure airports than the whole tube.
3) Have you seen similar projects? Please describe them briefly.
Well I think I have heard about teleportation of single photon so I hope they will keep up the good work and we will end up in star trek reality one day=)
Thanks,
Maciej Perlinski
Do you think the solution could be an alternative to air travel?
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion it could be in some way. Now, it is just in a concept, but as in every new technology, after some improvements (or in reality years and years of improvements) it migh become a safe and convenient way of transportation. I think that especially people who are afraid of flying might like it. I can imagine that Hyperloop can be an intra-continental way of moving, while planes intercontinental.
Do you see threats to this solution? Eg tectonic motions or other?
The most important threads were mentioned in an article. Earthquakes and tectonic motions could be a danger to the stability of the construction. Maintaining the proper pressure is a challenge, every unsealing is a potential thread. Not to mention even about the intentional human behaviour like terrorist's attacs.
Have you seen similar projects? Please describe them briefly.
I am not very interested in transportation area, so I have not.
The conceptual nature of the Hyperloop is both exciting and absolutely fascinating. Using air compressors the Hyperloop would convey people from city-to-city points at speeds as high as 760 miles per hour.
ReplyDeleteSuch an invention could change the expensive real estate landscape in caplital city such Warsaw. There are many city-to-city points for which the Hyperloop could be effective, for example Lodz to Warsaw. Workers in either city-pairs could commute on a daily basis and return home in time for dinner. Globally the Hyperloop could impact people’s access to education, jobs, and a higher standard of living. The nature of interpersonal connections and business networks would be greatly impacted by limiting distance ever more, making a truly localized global economy. What seems like a revolution in transportation will also bring about evolutions in the real estate market, our local economies, business organizations, and transform our social networks.
Another unique aspect of the Hyperloop is that its design was open-sourced and released for comment without restriction.. Since these inventions advance the unchallenged and accepted modes of human transport it would seem about time we give it more thought and anticipate patents become less restrictive to our collective innovation and technological evolution. (https://www.teslamotors.com/sites/default/files/blog_images/hyperloop-alpha.pdf)
There are obvious regulatory and bureaucratic hurdles to overcome. There are also many questions that arise, specifically in terms of our flexibility towards future states of human transport. Does the advancement of transportation strategy, especially to solve those problems that plague us both immensely and indefinitely trump property law and state regulatory authority? Does the fear of inconvenient project execution forgo our endeavors for convenient and greener transport methods? These are some of the fascinating questions that the Hyperloop raises as its concept shoots us ever forward into an exciting future.
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ReplyDeleteIn my opinion, for sure it can be an alternative to air travel. First, because there would be less formalities before travel and after it – now we spend a lot of time for boarding and that is why sometimes is better to go to Berlin or Prague by fast intercity train than by plane. And for second reason – self-powering Hyperloops would be simply cheaper.
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There are threats of this solution, but some of them can be easily solved. I mean problems concerning protection against accidents – because we have already gained the based knowledge and experience to ensure this: it was necessary for very fast trains.
In fact, I am fan of such solutions and I have read this article with sincere interest, mainly because of my professional experience – I work in company designing and delivering investment& technology projects for energy & industrial sectors. So I am a believer that such ideas are very close future and all the potential threats will be solved very fast – that will be profitable because of many advantages of Hyperloops.
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I saw projects including self-powering solutions professionally, but I cannot describe them because I am obliged to keep non-disclosure agreements. The case is interesting as being close to perpetuum mobile idea.
I am looking forward to putting a lot of hope into the project - very close future :)
DeleteDo you think the solution could be an alternative to air travel?
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion, it might be an alternative to air travel but it depends on the location of the two points to be travelled. For USA it seems be promising and it may substitute air traveling. The time of traveling with hyperloop depends on the boarding time. I think that some safety issues may be engaged.
Do you see threats to this solution? Eg tectonic motions or other?
Of course there are some threads of the proposed solution. There are ways to counteract such situations. Technically, I think that it is possible to make the construction resistant to smaller tectonic motions.
Have you seen similar projects? Please describe them briefly.
I have not seen any similar ideas. Unfortunately, I am not interested in this area of study.
I was not on a weekend but i can still discuss it.
DeleteI'm not convinced it's good for the US. Looking at the history - there was never a quick train (unless I do not know about it). But hyperloop can offer more. More than airplanes.
1. Do you think the solution could be an alternative to air travel?
ReplyDeleteIn my point of view it could replace air travel only for short distances (up to 1500 kilometres). For further travel it wouldn’t be possible to use the Hyperloop Alpha.
2. Do you see threats to this solution? Eg tectonic motions or other?
As it was written in the article, that project is resistant to tectonic motions because of its construction. I can see only one threat: large overloads associated with rapid acceleration. It is of course a problem that can be somehow solved however it wasn’t mentioned in the article.
3. Have you seen similar projects? Please describe them briefly.
Unfortunately, I haven’t seen such projects. The only thing that comes to my mind is the issue of teleportation, which is mentioned by the author of the article.
I was not on a weekend but i can still discuss it.
DeleteI see that you are proposing very long distances. I had in my head shorter distances of 100-300 km. I think that it would be possible.
I wrote up to 1500 km so we think the same.
DeleteI'd like to apologize but In past I studied similar article that also had more than 50 pages. Maybe in future I would have more time to study this great project.
ReplyDeleteDo you think the solution could be an alternative to air travel?
Most common people are exited when traveling airplane for first time. But for business time is the most important parameter. Developed connections like in Łódź are proper example for transportation between big cities. In my city unfortunately we could build only connection to airport and this is not an good idea to see how much potency lies in this technology.
Do you see threats to this solution? Eg tectonic motions or other?
This is a really good question for fire brigadiers and metro operatives.
Have you seen similar projects? Please describe them briefly.
There are plenty of projects in Japan but I can recall names for them...
Do you think the solution could be an alternative to air travel?
ReplyDeleteYes for sure this could be alternative for air travel, if spaceX will be able to keep proposed prices this will disturb travel industry
Do you see threats to this solution? Eg tectonic motions or other?
Every solution like this will encounter some difficulties especially in the early stage of development
Have you seen similar projects? Please describe them briefly.
This communication is kind of a moon shot so it is hard to find some thing alternative to this.