Week 3 [14-19.04.2020]
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The article describes a new approach to creating rules to describe the universe. I hope you'll find it interesting!
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/stephen-wolfram-hypergraph-project-fundamental-theory-physics
1) Are you convinced by the idea that the whole universe is one big network connected by the relations of the laws of physics?
2) Do you think it is possible to create new rules that describe the universe during the simulation?
3) What else can a Wolfram hypergraph be used for?
4) Wolfram wants to find a rule to describe the universe that combines several different theories (superstring theory, loop quantum gravity, causal sets). Do you think it's possible at all?
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1) Are you convinced by the idea that the whole universe is one big network connected by the relations of the laws of physics?
ReplyDeleteThere's a thought in this. Not reading the whole article, only title, seems to say hmm ... probably fairy tales. After reading the content, it's likely. How Da Vinci designed his machines, or Captain Grant swim in the depths of the oceans, it all seemed unbelievable. After some time, it was brilliant. This can also be the case here.
2) Do you think it is possible to create new rules that describe the universe during the simulation?
That is why scientists are scientists so that they create new rules, that is, invent, find something new. I think this is a new idea to describe the universe. Good or bad time will tell. Certainly different. Innovative. Revealing. Convinces me.
3) What else can a Wolfram hypergraph be used for?
If I knew, I would join his research. However, he might need to try to use it to detect connection networks in the dark web? It's still difficult to identify a person on the dark side of the Internet. Wolfram's hypergraph could, like a Hubbel telescope, reveal something completely new to us.
4) Wolfram wants to find a rule to describe the universe that combines several different theories (superstring theory, loop quantum gravity, causal sets). Do you think it's possible at all?
As I wrote earlier. His theory convinces me. I think that if not all of them will connect several. Only it's still a long way ...
Like you, I think it might be brilliant! I'm going to follow up on the result of his research :)!
Delete1) Are you convinced by the idea that the whole universe is one big network connected by the relations of the laws of physics?
ReplyDeleteThe subject seems very interesting, although I think it falls under philosophical considerations. We know many laws of physics that apply to our world, but we don't know if they are final laws or if there are any more general laws. Even if we could find all the laws that govern the world, I think finding all connections between them will not be possible because the universe is so complicated.
2) Do you think it is possible to create new rules that describe the universe during the simulation?
Of course, these days we are limited only by the computing power we can generate. Thanks to such simulations, we can understand what was only a mystery to us before.
3) What else can a Wolfram hypergraph be used for?
I don't know, but maybe it would allow us to get to know better and simulate connections in our brain.
4) Wolfram wants to find a rule to describe the universe that combines several different theories (superstring theory, loop quantum gravity, causal sets). Do you think it's possible at all?
As I said, it seems to me more in the fiction area than science. Even if we find any connections, we can never really be sure that they actually work in all possible cases, and one exception is enough to refute our theory.
I really liked your idea of simulating connections in our brain using his hypergraph! That would be a great idea for an experiment. Maybe we could discover something new?
Delete1) Are you convinced by the idea that the whole universe is one big network connected by the relations of the laws of physics?
ReplyDeleteYes, of course, I think all this is a network connected by the laws of physics. Physics is a science that describes phenomena
2) Do you think it is possible to create new rules that describe the universe during the simulation?
Oh sure. This is the meaning of science - to discover something new, to refute the past or to create alternatives to something that we already had
3) What else can a Wolfram hypergraph be used for?
It's pretty hard for me to answer. But I think to everything where there is some kind of research with graphs and networks. To track something connected
4) Wolfram wants to find a rule to describe the universe that combines several different theories (superstring theory, loop quantum gravity, causal sets). Do you think it's possible at all?
Yes, I think it is possible.
1. Are you convinced by the idea that the whole universe is one big network connected by the relations of the laws of physics?
ReplyDeleteIt’s difficult to answer this question. I think it is an interesting concept. Maybe Wolfram has right and there is a network. We don’t know everything. We try to understand many things. Maybe there are law of physics that we don’t know yet or some of them are wrong. There are many variables and I don’t think that we are available to understand everything. Maybe the solution is simpler than we think. For sure is worth to try to understand and create new solutions, networks or rules.
2. Do you think it is possible to create new rules that describe the universe during the simulation?
I think this is possible but I don’t know if we can find all necessary rules to completely describe universe. I think our eyes don’t see everything on the world and space. There are many variables to understand. In many areas of life there are networks nad relationship between them. I think that we believes that computer, AI could overcome our thinking and propose new concept to investigations.
3. What else can a Wolfram hypergraph be used for?
I think we could use the graph to better understand relationship in nature. Why some species of animals, trees disappeared from our planet? It's only fault of humans or there are another causes of this?
4. Wolfram wants to find a rule to describe the universe that combines several different theories (superstring theory, loop quantum gravity, causal sets). Do you think it's possible at all?
I think that everything is possible. It’s worth to try. I saw many sci-fi films that presented unreal technology. Today some of this technology is reality.
I was intrigued by your question, why did some animal species, trees disappear from our planet? Looking for the causes of such a phenomenon has so far required a lot of research. Perhaps by using hypergraphs we can not only discover what our actions have led us to, but also more accurately predict what will lead us to...
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ReplyDelete1) Are you convinced by the idea that the whole universe is one big network connected by the relations of the laws of physics?
It seems to me that the issue needs to be approached from the other side. Namely, the laws of physics, which are in force in the cosmos, and the initial conditions of the cosmos, are precisely tuned for the creation of life in it. Today we know that the latter is only possible when the numerical values in basic physics - for example the gravity force or the mass of the electron - are within a certain range. However, this range is an extremely narrow part of all possible values. So it is extremely unlikely that in such a Universe as ours there are conditions allowing life to occur. Nevertheless - contrary to all probability - it is so. Ockham's razor is a principle that, while everything else remains the same, more simple theories should be preferred. Therefore, one should. Also, it seems to me that all of this has come about. It must be bound together by the laws of physics.,
2) Do you think it is possible to create new rules that describe the universe during the simulation?
For years, the scientist has been passionate about finding a recipe for unifying the theory of relativity with the physics of the micro-world, which has led him to formulate some fresh concepts. In his latest work, Wolfram proposes to treat space as a collection of abstract and interconnected points that can be described by means of hypergraphs. Depending on the rule that governs connections, we get various structures that are supposed to be the basis of physical reality.
It is difficult to say whether it is a new candidate for the theory of everything, or rather the original starting point and formalism that could lead to such a theory. In both cases, the concept sounds promising.
3) What else can a Wolfram hypergraph be used for?
If it is a theory of everything, it can be used for anything :)
4) Wolfram wants to find a rule to describe the universe that combines several different theories (superstring theory, loop quantum gravity, causal sets). Do you think it's possible at all?
If we know that everything interacts with each other, then there is a rule that controls it all.
"If we know that everything interacts with each other, then there is a rule that controls it all."
DeleteDo you think we could deny or confirm the existence of a "supernatural" force that cares about balance in the universe?
Finding such a rule and writing it down as a mathematical formula would ruin the religions around the world.
) Are you convinced by the idea that the whole universe is one big network connected by the relations of the laws of physics?
ReplyDeleteI am not a physicist and I do not have such in-depth knowledge of this subject, but I believe that the entire universe is dependent on physics and its laws. After all, this is perfectly seen in the example of our planet, on which these laws operate, and she is part of the universe.
2) Do you think it is possible to create new rules that describe the universe during the simulation?
Yes of course. There are still so many unknown principles and rules. New discoveries can be made in every field. Every now and again we hear about further curiosities that have not seen the light of day. After all, our doctoral dissertations / studies must also be unique and exceptional (maybe with further discoveries).
3) What else can a Wolfram hypergraph be used for?
I think it could be used to study neuron connections in the brain or road connections to build optimal routes. The Internet also seems to be a good example due to the huge dynamics of connections between individual hosts.
4) Wolfram wants to find a rule to describe the universe that combines several different theories (superstring theory, loop quantum gravity, causal sets). Do you think it's possible at all?
I once met a statement that sounded like this: "What was impossible yesterday will become everyday life tomorrow." Looking at how the world is developing, I think it's possible to find a rule that describes the universe. However, we will have to wait a bit for this.
Great idea! Reading a little more about it, I came across a work that focused on the use of hypergraphs to simulate the operation of the Internet, but...on a micro-scale, so it didn't even come close to simulating the global network.
Delete1) Are you convinced by the idea that the whole universe is one big network connected by the relations of the laws of physics?
ReplyDeleteThe theory describe by Wolfram is very interesting but it’s not finished yet, so let’s wait with final conclusion until it will be. I’m in favored of confirming hypothesis by experiments, and I’m really looking forward an experiment that confirm existence of oligons. The holistic approach to the World make every relation very complex and hard to explain in simple way but maybe this is the solution – the one theory that explain everything. I only hope there will be special simple cases that will allowed checking the theory on a real case and following it step by step.
2) Do you think it is possible to create new rules that describe the universe during the simulation?
No, even with an incredibly powerful computer, scientists could never perfectly simulate the entire universe in a computer, simply because the universe obeys quantum theory which is probabilistic and non-deterministic. The bottom line is that it is fundamentally impossible to predict exactly what a quantum object will do, because such certainty regarding the object does not exist in the first place. We can only calculate what a quantum object is most likely to do. Such is the nature of the quantum world. And since the entire universe is simply a collection of quantum objects, the universe itself cannot be exactly simulated.
3) What else can a Wolfram hypergraph be used for?
I hope it will be used to get deeper knowledge about suggested by Wolfram super small unknown particles – oligons that could explain vast amount of dark matter and other gravity related phenomenon.
4) Wolfram wants to find a rule to describe the universe that combines several different theories (superstring theory, loop quantum gravity, causal sets). Do you think it's possible at all?
In general I believe there could be the one theory that explain all of the basic law of physic, that grasp the true nature of Ours Universe. It’s not necessarily be combination of the individual theories like superstring with general theory of relativity but by the definition it will explain all of the interaction that are happening across the Universe.
I share your scepticism about computer simulation of the universe. However, many experiments leading to the discovery of laws of physics were carried out on a micro-scale, so maybe this time it will be successful :)
Delete1) Are you convinced by the idea that the whole universe is one big network connected by the relations of the laws of physics?
ReplyDeleteAm I convinced? No. Am I interested? Yes :).
2) Do you think it is possible to create new rules that describe the universe during the simulation?
I think if there could be an infinite number of rules, then yes, we can make this assumption.
3) What else can a Wolfram hypergraph be used for?
They say that for everything! I mean, if these rules explain how the universe works, they could be easily applicable to brain science.
4) Wolfram wants to find a rule to describe the universe that combines several different theories (superstring theory, loop quantum gravity, causal sets). Do you think it's possible at all?
Yes, that is meant here: https://www.wolframphysics.org/technical-introduction/potential-relation-to-physics/potential-basic-translations/
I think if there are no exclusions and they are correct, that could be a way to rule them all. On the other hand, everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. Thus, I'm not convinced that one approach would explain everything.
1) Are you convinced by the idea that the whole universe is one big network connected by the relations of the laws of physics?
ReplyDeleteI don't think so. I see it being similar to geocentric theory: when astronomers used enough deferents and epicycles, theory matched observations perfectly. It was a simple rule (roll one circle on another) that produced complex results, just like hypergraphs are.
2) Do you think it is possible to create new rules that describe the universe during the simulation?
This also I don't think to be true. Simulation by definition must simplify modeled phenomenon. Without experimental data, we won't know if any of new rules is property of universe or just a model's artifact.
3) What else can a Wolfram hypergraph be used for?
I have no idea, seems like very generic tool that can be applied in many fields. I'm sure it will be applied in some interesting science-fiction story.
4) Wolfram wants to find a rule to describe the universe that combines several different theories (superstring theory, loop quantum gravity, causal sets). Do you think it's possible at all?
I think yes, it is possible. I'm just afraid that such theory won't be much useful. I like to think of theories describing world as layers, where each layer below can be used to explain and predict phenomenons of layer above it, but not higher - it could theoretically, but requirements on computation and precision of input data would be too great.
Like you, I don't think this theory will be useful.
DeleteIt is too high a level of abstraction to have an impact on everyday life, but from the other hand, maybe it will help us to discover something that will change the way we look at the world.
1. Sounds pretty convincing. Often, physicists say that if one constant that they use to calculate certain fundamental laws would differ only by 1, our world would look completely different. So I'm inclined to think that many laws of physics interact and there are specific relationships between them.
ReplyDelete2. I think that large-scale simulation of our universe would be something extraordinary. As for the creation of new rules, I associate simulation with considering some new aspects of known reality, so creating new rules seems possible, but I think that then we would be observing simulations not of our universe, but of a changed world under the influence of new rules. The question is whether these rules would allow us to discover something new, something that is already associated with the current laws of physics. It is also hard to imagine simulations in both the microworld and the macroworld at once, considering the entire quantum physics that comes into play when considering the scale at the atomic level.
3. To present relationships that are not obvious at first glance, I think. How neurons function, how information placed on the Internet, opinions affect the economic shifts, etc. I like the idea mentioned above about understanding relationships in nature. The interesting thought is that the extinction of certain species and ecosystems may not necessarily be humanity fault, but a whole avalanche of dependence that could have started, for example, some natural disaster several centuries earlier.
4. For now, we have not concluded which of the theories describing the universe is the most probable and whether any of them is correct. Maybe the rule describing the universe is still undiscovered and Wolfram will soon demonstrate a completely new theory that will have nothing to do with the theory of superstrings etc. Or it turns out that everyone was partialy right. Many years and experiments are still needed to confirm their validity.
...in a nutshell, we'll see :D!
DeleteIt's very interesting for me. I'm gonna follow his research results!
I'm not convinced, to me claims that someone discovered meta rules explaining the universe are very close to revelations about UFO and Yeti. But, still I'm thrilled about the idea.
ReplyDeleteI couldn't find the part saying how exactly those rules are being searched through the simulation. But if there is an expected complex outcome - "create simulated universe reflecting the universe we live in" then I really doubt it would be possible even with the smartest algorithms applied to search for those rules.
With all the complexity of the universe I really doubt if it's possible to explain it with a simple rule.
I have mixed feelings about the simulation... I understand that in micro-scale we could find some rules but from other hand in global networks these rules could be completly nonsense. We'll see!
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ReplyDelete1) Are you convinced by the idea that the whole universe is one big network connected by the relations of the laws of physics?
ReplyDeleteI was intrigued by the statement that the project found "candidates for the universes" with incredibly simple rules that effectively reproduce special theories of relativity and even general theories of relativity and gravity, and show evidence of quantum mechanics.
The theory looks promising, but I don't feel completely convinced. As the author says, it's just an iceberg tip. There is still a lot to be done.
2) Do you think it is possible to create new rules that describe the universe during the simulation?
It seems to me that there is a non-zero probability that we live in simulation ourselves. For example - If we ever manage to create a 1: 1 simulation of the universe in real time, why shouldn't it be possible for another civilization that could be millions of years older than us?
So I think everything is possible.
I wonder what rule is responsible for the creation of the coronavirus and who put it in our simulation. In any case, I think that this has probably completely changed the course of our future
3) What else can a Wolfram hypergraph be used for?
I agree with Andrzej's opinion – If this is a theory of everything - then it can be applied to everything. e.g. technology,music, medicine.
4) Wolfram wants to find a rule to describe the universe that combines several different theories (superstring theory, loop quantum gravity, causal sets). Do you think it's possible at all?
As the author himself believes - this is probably possible, he has no idea how to do it, but he will try :)
1) Are you convinced by the idea that the whole universe is one big network connected by the relations of the laws of physics?
ReplyDeleteI am not a physicist, but I believe that the statement that the universe is a network based on the laws of physics is likely. I like it if the occurring phenomenon is described and explained by the laws of physics, mathematics, etc. The universe consists of one billion smaller phenomena, these phenomena consist of even smaller phenomena, etc. One phenomenon may react with another phenomenon creating some dependencies so the idea of the universe seems rational.
2) Do you think it is possible to create new rules that describe the universe during the simulation?
An interesting question. I think that to create new rules describing the universe through simulation, you need to create a model of the universe. Creating a model of the universe nowadays seems unlikely because you would need infinite resources of computer power. The universe is an infinite creation. In one second, a billion other phenomena occur in the universe. Nevertheless, if someone ever manages to create a simulation of new rules in the universe - it will be an incredible achievement.
3) What else can a Wolfram hypergraph be used for?
I've never heard of Wolfram hypergraph. I think that graphs can be used in many areas, for example in economics - to simulate and describe various phenomena.
4) Wolfram wants to find a rule to describe the universe that combines several different theories (superstring theory, loop quantum gravity, causal sets). Do you think it's possible at all?
I don't know if it is possible but the subject is certainly very interesting. If the universe can be described by rules, why not combine different approaches to find average rules.