Hi everyone!
I always share paper material...but this speech was very interesting to me (I'm hope that also for you).
https://www.ted.com/talks/dina_zielinski_how_we_can_store_digital_data_in_dna#t-755635
I have a few questions for you:
1. Which nowadays data should be for sure saved to next generations?
2. Which problem do you see about store data in DNA?
3. Do you think that it's good solution to store data or we should use something other?
4. Do you know any new direction in data store (newest than cloud)? Do you have any idea what the next step will be?
1. Which nowadays data should be for sure saved to next generations?
ReplyDeleteThis is a very good question. Normally like Chinese during financial negotiations. Personally, I think we should leave as much data as possible about us to future generations. About our ancestors, and their ancestors, and ... about all ancestors that we remember.
Seriously, I don't know why to burden the next generation with our mistakes. They should grow up themselves - we can only direct them.
2. Which problem do you see about store data in DNA?
The problem may be with different data. The biggest is their mutation. If something happens to them what then? I am personally reluctant to such experiments.
3. Do you think that it's good solution to store data or we should use something other?
Clearly, as I wrote earlier! We should use a different kind of magazine!
4. Do you know any new direction in data store (newest than cloud)? Do you have any idea what the next step will be?
I don't know and it's difficult to say what he will be like.
I understand your worries about mutation-that was my first think when I read this title,but from other hands we don't have any good enough alterantives...
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ReplyDelete1. Which nowadays data should be for sure saved to next generations?
I think that disease history records related to symptoms and drugs are worth to save.
2. Which problem do you see about store data in DNA?
It's not very well explored area. Thus it does not error robust.
3. Do you think that it's good solution to store data or we should use something other?
I think that we need to validate it in time function.
4. Do you know any new direction in data store (newest than cloud)? Do you have any idea what the next step will be?
From my perspective, this is very interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5D_optical_data_storage
Cheers
I can't agree with your first question answer...the DNA structure is "quite easy". It's contains only 4 type of nitrogenous (guanine, adenine, thymine and cytosine)
DeleteThe link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5D_optical_data_storage was extremely interesting for me! Thank you! I have never heart about it!
1. Which nowadays data should be for sure saved to next generations?
ReplyDeleteCurrently, there are a lot of storage facilities, apart from the obvious ones such as. Museums, open-air museums, archives, libraries. We can meet such that are not obvious. The most important of them are: Svalbard Global Seed Vault is a seed bank located in the Norwegian archipelago of Svalbard, on the island of Spitsbergen. Built to safely store the seeds of edible plants from around the world. Recently, Syrian scientists have sent a request for seeds to the Norwegian vault. Unfortunately, the building and the stored samples were destroyed by the war. Scientists tried to rebuild the Syrian seed collection, but failed. Therefore, they asked the Global Seed Bank of Norway for a part of their seeds. There are similar places for microorganisms. For example, the American Type Culture Collection stores cell lines or different strains of microorganisms used as reference organisms. They have more than 3,400 cell lines, more than 18,000 strains, bacterial strains, more than 3,000 viruses of human and animal origin, more than 7,600 species of fungi and yeasts. Additionally, there are databases of gene sequences/genomes ("letters" of DNA). Here is an example
2. Which problem do you see about store data in DNA?
For me, using the bottom to store data in this way is a downside. DNA is able to survive for a very long time, but only in specific conditions. Additionally, DNA does not exist in pure form. It is packed on so-called histones which are proteins and which are degraded! There are also other accompanying enzymes. And most importantly, DNA is terribly susceptible to UV and ionizing radiation, also these "hard drives" would have to be in some kind of protective panels. In addition, the half-life of DNA is only 512 years. So let's keep losing data actively all the time. Reading data from such a carrier is associated with the destruction of the threads (sequencing) and thus the loss of the original sequence = data. Even if we would do the sequencing of one thread to keep the data for 2 threads, still the reconstruction of the complementary thread to the one retained is connected with the use of a completely different apparatus and technique.
3. Do you think that it's good solution to store data or we should use something other?
In my opinion, the development of technology does not allow for such a record. In addition, such a record has too many drawbacks. And most importantly. This is the kind of memory we have in our brains. I wouldn't like to have such a storage medium, which forgets as quickly as mine.
3. Do you think that it's good solution to store data or we should use something other?
The banks of DNA and cells were formed because we can't get them denticated from scratch. There is no other way. We don't make alcohol banks because we know how to synthesize them.
4. Do you know any new direction in data store (newest than cloud)? Do you have any idea what the next step will be?
Bockchain technology can be used to create new, decentralized data storage networks, putting the power of choice back into the hands of end users. One example of this representative of near future blockchain use cases is how cloud storage companies try to avoid data loss. While large companies rely on disseminating duplicate files across different data centers to avoid intrusion, decentralized blocking technology would more or less eliminate the risk of significant disruption.
Your third answer is debatable. We store DNA which contains "key" of every animal/plant. The point of that is to have this sequence unchanged. We already can change a part of DNA.
Delete1. Which nowadays data should be for sure saved to next generations?
ReplyDeleteThis is a very interesting and, at the same time, very difficult question. Looking at the ubiquitous, worthless content on the Internet, the question arises how to choose this essential information and filter out all the rubbish. On the other hand, it depends on what future generations want to know about us, it might be interesting for them that in a given period of time people laughed at a given mem. Certainly, however, it is necessary to preserve all scientific sources in order to preserve the knowledge gained by humanity, as well as the most important news and events from the history of the world.
2. Which problem do you see about store data in DNA?
Storing data in DNA sounds very modern, but with today's technological developments everything is still very expensive. Taking into account the physical properties of DNA and all the processes in which it participates, it is very difficult for me to imagine a more widespread use of this solution. Working with biologists I see a lot of scepticism, I think we still have a long way to go.
3. Do you think that it's good solution to store data or we should use something other?
We definitely need to think about new ways of storing data, especially as there will be more and more of them. This technology has the advantage that it will allow you to store large amounts of data in a small space in the long term. However, as far as shorter data storage is concerned, I do not see any future for it at the moment.
4. Do you know any new direction in data store (newest than cloud)? Do you have any idea what the next step will be?
Apart from the use of DNA, I have not heard any other such solutions.
I agree with your second command...but from other hand all of new technology which store data were expensive. I think that after ten/twenty years old this technology will be much more cheaper-we will see :)
Delete1. Which nowadays data should be for sure saved to next generations?
ReplyDeleteI think that the maximum data that we have. I find it difficult to divide the data into important and not important, because it is subjective. But to make life easier for the future generation, we must try to save most of the data.
2. Which problem do you see about store data in DNA?
Unfortunately, I am not an expert in this topic, I think the most important thing is that we should be completely sure what will happen to this data in the future, will it cause any problems for us
3. Do you think that it's good solution to store data or we should use something other?
Perhaps it would be more appropriate to look for other storage
4. Do you know any new direction in data store (newest than cloud)? Do you have any idea what the next step will be?
Unfortunately, I do not know)
I agree with your second answer, but we don't have any solutions (which could store as many data as DNA), but the technology get better overnight. Maybe after a few years... :)
Delete1. Which nowadays data should be for sure saved to next generations?
ReplyDeleteThis is subjective question, I think that every public institution and every citizen should have the ability to choose what should be saved. From the other hand if we are not limited by the space of the storage we could store everything and let the next generation decide what is useful and important from their point of view.
2. Which problem do you see about store data in DNA?
Even though the technology evolves so quickly I don’t think that process of saving data in to DNA will be broadly available due to a cost and complexity of the process.
3. Do you think that it's good solution to store data or we should use something other?
I think that every option of data storage that is competing to current ways in a size matter is worth to test and lookup for as potential replacement for those used nowadays.
4. Do you know any new direction in data store (newest than cloud)? Do you have any idea what the next step will be?
I heard about storing data in molecules: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/05/190501081949.htm, the biggest advantages of this it is size conversion ratio and the fact that for now this is the most time resilient method.
1. Which nowadays data should be for sure saved to next generations?
ReplyDeleteIn this video Dina said that we don’t need to decide which data is important to be save in DNA. There is a UNESCO program called the "Memory of the World". It's been created to preserve historical materials that are considered of value to all of humanity. Items are nominated to be added to the collection.
If I had to decide which data to keep, I would keep those that are important to our live or changed our live. This data could be the results of research on diseases that could not be overcome. Maybe the next generation will find solution. Also we should storage historical data of people that invented something important.
2. Which problem do you see about store data in DNA
The problem is that when we restore data the DNA is lost. The saving and retrieving data is slow.
3. Do you think that it's good solution to store data or we should use something other?
I think it’s a good solution for long-term data. Maybe when the proces of retrieving and saving data will be faster then we can used it to save everything that we want. For data that we need fast access we should search another solution.
4. Do you know any new direction in data store (newest than cloud)? Do you have any idea what the next step will be?
Maybe in the nearest future we will store data in atoms. There is a interesting article about this.
Link: https://phys.org/news/2018-09-scientists-mechanism-storage-atom.html
1. This is a very difficult question. Considering that millions of unnecessary data are currently circulating on the Internet, such as a dozen or so same person's selfies, millions of YouTube videos or reddit posts conversations. In my opinion, you definitely need to save historically important data for each period. How the balance of power in Europe has changed, how the Earth has evolved, economic and political change. Something that may be useful to future generations, from which they can draw conclusions and not make our mistakes. Recently, I heard that someone is going to or has already sent the DNA of endangered species into space. I think that data such as the genetic codes of endangered plants and animals should be saved. Maybe even all the beings we know today could be saved, because maybe one day it will help rebuild the ecosystem after the climate disasters and the next ice age.
ReplyDelete2. Certainly the cost. I doubt that the technology of saving data in DNA would be cheap and widely available at the moment. I also doubt that it would ever be available to individuals on such a scale as USB flash drives. I also think that badly stored DNA can be destroyed quickly and hundreds of data will be lost in an instant.
3. I think it is a good solution, it takes up little space, does not require electricity, etc. The hall filled with DNA vials is certainly more beneficial for the environment than large halls with servers producing a lot of heat. The problem lies in the availability of the media, so I think that any media that can store a lot of data in a small space will be good for data storage at the moment.
4. I've heard about data storage in DNA before, but I didn't find anything newer.
1. Which nowadays data should be for sure saved to next generations?
ReplyDeleteI think information about our loved ones, the next generation. Rather, I can't imagine that people will be memory banks that will store data on everything that happens in the world.
2. Which problem do you see about store data in DNA?
Like previous people, I'm afraid of gene mutations.
3. Do you think that it's a good solution to store data or we should use something other?
I think that a good way is to store a certain amount of data and data about the owner. You should not keep all data as it goes.
4. Do you know any new direction in data store (newest than cloud)? Do you have any idea what the next step will be?
Recently, I read a bit about IBM's new way of storing data. Data is stored in atoms. Unfortunately, the problem is with reading data from the atom, because you need to use a specialized microscope, which is large in size.
1.Which nowadays data should be for sure saved to next generations?
ReplyDeleteI think that nowadays we don’t realize what data should be saved to next generations. Nowadays, we can think what data will be not useful for future generations but in fact it could be very helpful to understand our times. The women during her presentation says that the data is our story and we do not have to choose what is important now. People delete a lot of information like photos, videos, documents from their personal laptop but who knows maybe these data will be necessary for future generations to understand ours. In my opinion data about human existing and human inventions should be stored certainly.
2.Which problem do you see about store data in DNA?
I found three problems about storing data in DNA. First problem is the fact that each DNA sequencing operation destroys the input material. This means that the more you read them, the less material you have. It means that you have to copy this material and the errors could appear. The second problem is writing data to DNA because it is very slow. A speed is definitely not enough to talk about free access to data. The third problem is that reading the data from DNA is very expensive.
3.Do you think that it's good solution to store data or we should use something other?
I was surprised that it is possible to store the book or photo in DNA. It is very interesting article! I think that it is possible that in the future the next generations will store the data in DNA but I am afraid that our generations will not save the data in DNA and we will use flash drives or cloud to store data. I suppose that within several years it will be more popular but I guess that it will not be like a flash drive nowadays. I mentioned about three problem of storing data in DNA and if they were solved, the storing data in DNA would be common process.
4.Do you know any new direction in data store (newest than cloud)? Do you have any idea what the next step will be?
I don’t know any newer ways to store data than cloud and DNA. There are new cloud technologies but they are still clouds, so for me the newest way to store data is DNA. The world is developing on the time and the technology has become more advanced during last 5 years so it is possible that there will be some new ways to store data. If we are able to “convert” data to ones and zeros, so myabe in the future we could put the matrix of ones and zeros for example in atom.
1. Which nowadays data should be for sure saved to next generations?
ReplyDeleteI think the Internet Archive, mentioned in the talk, preserves what I think we should preserve. Snapshots of web pages, scans of magazines, and games. ArXive pre-prints. Those are first things I can think of.
2. Which problem do you see about store data in DNA?
I was positively surprised by DNA stability, also there is only like dozen sensible ways to encode binary data into DNA structure, so those are not a problems. So I guess the speed of write and problems with accessing only small selected part of the record would be most problematic.
3. Do you think that it's good solution to store data or we should use something other?
I think storage in some crystalline volume, read and written with UV light and beyond, would be a better bet. DNA storage for me looks very similar to Amazon Glacier: it's super cheap to store something, and is advertised as 99.999999999% durable, but read times of 5 hours?
4. Do you know any new direction in data store (newest than cloud)? Do you have any idea what the next step will be?
No, data storage is not my area of interest. Only thing storage-related that I track is Backblaze's annual hard drive reliability reports.
1.I think that for sure we should save for the next generations data which can be found at museum or library, something like a combination of it both – bank knowledge. For sure it should mainly something that doesn’t have to be modified often, or better – at all.
ReplyDelete2. Limited access to data - they are stored offline. hat’s another reason why the knowledge bank would be a good use of such a medium.
3. It's definitely an interesting alternative. It depends on what data we have in mind - it certainly is not suitable for storing and processing data that needs constant updating.
4. The newest solution would be a quantum hard disk. Maybe this will be the next step – who knows?;)
1. Which nowadays data should be for sure saved to next generations?
ReplyDeletePersonally, I would save all the data that could help future generations to avoid the mistakes that already have been made. It relates to diferent domains: medicine, politics, ecology, social relationships, etc.
2. Which problem do you see about store data in DNA?
The DNA is fragile structure. It requires special conditions to exists, needs to be protected from various factors (like radiation). Moreover DNA is vulnerable to mutations. In my opinion these two aspects make it uncertain solution.
3. Do you think that it's good solution to store data or we should use something other?
It is an interesting idea, but I am not sure if we have sufficient knowledge and if the technology is developed enough to consider practical use of storing data in DNA.
4. Do you know any new direction in data store (newest than cloud)? Do you have any idea what the next step will be?
Actually, I am not up to date with the news about data storing, so my answer is no.